David Shemano wrote: > I will try one last time, because we are way off track. Maybe it would help > if you would read the introductory chapter to the book: > http://righteousmind.com/about-the-book/introductory-chapter/. Quoting from > Wikipedia, Haidt identifies six moral values which are cross-cultural: > > 1.Care for others, protecting them from harm. (He also referred to this > dimension as Harm.) > 2.Fairness, Justice, treating others equally. > 3.Loyalty to your group, family, nation. (He also referred to this dimension > as Ingroup.) > 4.Respect for tradition and legitimate authority. (He also referred to this > dimension as Authority.) > 5.Purity or Sanctity, avoiding disgusting things, foods, actions. > 6. Liberty/oppression: This foundation is about the feelings of reactance and > resentment people feel toward those who dominate them and restrict their > liberty. > > Haidt argues that there are a group of people for whom all six values are > real "values". Let's call them, just for fun, conservatives. And then there > are another group of people who "value" nos. 1, 2 and 6, but don't "value" 3, > 4, and 5. Just for fun, let's call them "progressive liberals." Then it > gets interesting, because Haidt then argues that because "conservatives" have > a broader range of key values than progressive liberals, progressive liberals > have a real difficult time understanding conservatives, because they can't > relate to the additional values held by the conservatives. Conversely, > conservatives do understand the progressive liberals, because they share the > same values -- the only difference is that they have additional competing > values that figure into the moral decision making.<
What in heck is a conservative? Defining "conservative" as money libertarian, conservatives don't care for others -- only about money for themselves and their immediate families (a.k.a. heirs). They define "fairness" or "justice" as preservation of their own private property rights, while their loyalty refers only to the fellow members of the capitalist class. The tradition they respect is that of the power of monetary wealth, while the purity is that of the gated community. They favor liberty for those with money and reject the oppression that democratic control over the government threatens them with. They then justify all of these positions with rhetoric involving caring for all of society, fairness with a capital F, loyalty to the human race, etc. They justify their privilege by reference to alleged benefits for all (i.e., trickle-down). -- Jim Devine / "In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite." -- Paul Dirac. Social science is in the middle.... and usually in a muddle. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
