Honestly, Pharo without the environment (and the “live objects” approach) is just another dynamic language without much interest. Thinking the IDE is just autocompletion is a poor idea of what a live environment can do for you.
Esteban > On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:37, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Thank you! I'm one of those" > "wow.. thank you :D" > > "Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really, > why the hell would you want to do that ?" > > I can think a few million reasons. Vim and Emacs for example with tons of > internal and external tools , handling code, documentation, unit testing, > integration with other languages. The list is very long. > > I think for me that I am not a shortcuts person which is usually the reason > why people want to do this, I really like the idea of Workspaces/Projects in > Visual Code. They are great for managing big project especially if you mix > several languages together. Another good reason is dealing with markdown > which is a popular way of documentation and quite convenient. Git support is > extremely well done Visual Code for example tells me each line what commit is > related to and direct acccess with good visualisation of remote git > repositories. > > "A big part of what makes Pharo (or any Smalltalk) special is the IDE written > in itself." > > There is no doubt that IDE wise Pharo is best to handle refactoring pharo > code, debug etc. But my approach does not lock you down on a single editor. > As I demonstrated in the video you can move easily between Pharo and VS code > and thats the whole point, you can take advantage of the best of both worlds. > > "There is for example https://github.com/dmatveev/shampoo-emacs > <https://github.com/dmatveev/shampoo-emacs> which already makes a bit more > sense (but even then)." > > I am fully aware of emacs shampoo I used to recommend it but not any more for > the simple fact it has not been updated for 6 years. Shampoo also is not just > about code editing its also a port of the smalltalk IDE to emacs. > > I am talking strictly code editing here and various other tools that can be > found in those editors that simply do not exist in Pharo, I am not talking > about IDEs. Why not have your cake and eat it too if you can ? > > The whole point of my video was how to use external editor with Pharo and not > to replace Pharo completely which I think what you talking about here. Coding > editing in Pharo has still a long way to go, we do not even have an easy way > to setup keyboard shortcuts which is essential not for me but at least for > others. > > We all want to live completely inside the image but in reality those features > take time to implement and is a lot of work for our small community. > > By the way neither Emacs, Vim or Visual Studio Code are IDEs.Just powerful > editors with some IDE features and usually most of the features come in form > of extensions that you have install and configure properly. > > In any case I will repeat once again the point of the video is how to taker > advantage of nice features in code editors without having to abandon Pharo. > If this convince people to stick with Pharo I think its a win win situation. > Wouldnt you agree ?
