On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 11:57:13AM -0400, medvitz wrote: > The concern I have is that they sell perfoamance enhancing products. > Because they are selling these, I worry that performance in the base Zend > engine will not be / is not a primary concern. I think that performance > should be a top priority for the 'base' engine. People outside of Zend are > contributing a good amount of time to creating extensions, writing PEAR > modules, and promoting PHP, and , in my opinion , these efforts are being > used by Zend who are holding back on performance. > > Yes... the optimizer is free. But it doesn't always have to be. > > I like PHP, I use PHP, I use PHP for clients work, so yes.... I make money > off of PHP. I expect that the Zend psople can as well, without holding > back on the community that helped them get where they are today. Even PHP3 has a Zend engine (0.5). Most developers these days started with Version 3. PHP2/FI wasn't mature enough for companies.
For companies where i work for it's very important that there's a company behind PHP like Zend. Zend is now writing ZE2. They continueing the work they all doing for years now. Further the API of the Zend Engine is open. So everybody could write a program/library like Zend Accelerator. The only problem is that the products of Zend have a very low price in comparisment to other development platforms. Writing them yourself would costs you more. I even think that without Zend there wasn't PHP anymore because they're not only writing the heart of PHP, they also sets the goals for PHP. At that part is very important of companies. And they're not forcing you to buy their products. But most companies do, because it improves the engine. And maybe if Zend is making enough money with PHP that can actually really promote PHP as a mature language like Microsoft and Sun are doing. But i don't want to critismize you. I understand you completely. Because for my own site i can't eforth the Zend encoder and Accelerator. And than i wish that those products where for free. But noting is this world comes for free. Not even open-source products. Oh yes, the products are free. As far as i know there arent programs for PHP like there are for ASP/JAVA. Brainbench was offering some certificates for PHP4 developers. What i'm trying so say is simple. PHP needs a 'commercial' boost and Zend is providing it. Because like is said in other threads, PHP is now mainlt a tool for dynamic webpages. But these days customers want web applications like CMS systems and integrated back-ends with other companies and not only a homepage with some dynamic features like a guest book. All major benefits that PHP had on Microsoft ASP is now gone with .NET C# and VB are providing the same functionality as PHP is. I really have to fight within the company i work to keep PHP. Do you know what PHP really needs? Good native XML and SOAP support.. Without that it's very hard to convince my boss that PHP is the right tool for the job. I develop for a living. And i'm not only programming in PHP. I do also Java, VB, C# and a little C. And i have to say that even with the high license costs of Microsoft, they are providing a solid developer base with good support from MSDN and Technet. You can't around it and that is why my boss want to use .NET. Ever saw an ad for PHP?? You don't read of PHP. If you're not following the PHP mailingslists you know shit.. > I've got some biases here. I was a subscriber, for a time to the > developer's pachage that they had towards the beginning. For $600 a year I > got the Encoder, the debug server and 2 client licenses. They had a pay by > month option and I selected this, as my company wasn't going to reimburse > me for this expense. When my bank got bought and I had to get use a new > card to keep up on the payments no one could do it. I emailed the people > who handled the credit card transactiosn, and I emailed Zend. I got no > responsse what-so-ever, but a lot of emails telling me they couldn't bill > my card (all of which I replied to asking how to change my card info). I'm > glad you have had good expeirience with them, 'cause I haven't. And the > package that made the mose sense to me, they no longer offer. I don't do payments for my company. I'm not allowed to do that ;-( But i have a boss that really have an open mind. He tries several things. And because i said that i wanted the Zend accelerator because it's speed up the web application he bought it immediatly. But we build PHP sites without the Zend tools. The Zend tools are only installed on the production server. That way we're forced to write efficiant code. And because our developing enviroment is quick (we use single Pentium 3 500 processor with 128 MB of ram and IDE harddisk, normal desktops thus..) the productions sites are really flying. And i'm really sorry that Zend let you down with your creditcard payment. Dave Mertens P.S. sorry for my bad english, (you see i know a lot of languages, mostly programming) -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
