On 04.07.2016 18:37, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
Am 2016-07-04 14:43, schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer:
Hi everyone,
every now and then, distributions approach us asking which
applications they should ship by default with Plasma, or they complain
about us not providing such information.
Although the Plasma team of course does not have to provide such
information, it may still be helpful also for us because we can try to
make sure that these applications work well in Plasma.
Choosing such applications is not an easy task, but to get things
started, a group of people who were stranded in Bielefeld waiting for
their trains after a meeting sat together to come up with an initial
suggestion. Here is the result:
File manager: Dolphin
Music player: Cantata
I think Cantata is unsuited as it requires an mpd running. Given that it's out
of scope for simple usage.
Have you set up Cantata lately? Yes, it requires mpd, but it sets one up all by
itself if you don't have one.
You tell it where your library is and it does the rest, not more complicated
than any other music player.
We would not have included it in this list if it required setting up mpd
manually.
Document viewer: Okular
Here we need to be careful given that there is no release based on Qt 5 (note
that some distros ship with it but master has a terrible and annoying warning
in your face dialog about that) and Qt 4 is EOL. Given that viewing pdfs is
something which has been exploited in the past and is network attackable in
worst case, I think it's not a good choice. As long as there is no
Qt5-maintained release I would say it needs to be evince or none.
This is a difficult issue, then. Is there any way we can help Albert with
finishing the Qt5 port? Not
having a well-integrated PDF reader is not a good situation to be in. Of course
the same is true
for the other areas where we don't recommend anything, but it feels like Okular
would be the
easiest to get to a point where it could be recommended.
Software center: Discover
Communication: Konversation, KDE Telepathy (cautiously, because while
it works well at the moment, it is also looking for a maintainer)
Password storage: KWalletmanager, kwallet-pam
While KWalletmanager gives a good integration in some KDE applications it's
nothing I would recommend as a wallet manager. It is not well integrated into
Plasma, it is not secure, it has a terrible first run experience with
recommending to use a GPG key and then telling you that you don't have one and
does not have any concept of synchronization. In the area of password storage
there are way better solutions available in the FLOSS world
I agree, KWalletmanager as it is now is _not_ a good password manager. The
reason why we
integrated it in that list is that things like Plasma-NM only work automatically
with KWallet, so
there is not really a way around that, and KWalletManager is the only practical
to see or remove
passwords stored in KWallet.
The situation with KWallet is a huge problem for Plasma, which has to be solved.
KSecretService would have been the solution, but unfortunately Valentin has no
more time to
work on it.
There are various solutions for this problem, but we have to take one, and we do
need some
form of keyring to store things like wifi keys in an encrypted store.
I will open a separate thread for this issue, as it's too big to be discussed
within this thread.
Hardware support: Skanlite, Print manager
Utilities/system tools: KCalc, KDE Connect, Konsole, KSysguard, Kate,
Kamoso (if a distro wants to ship a webcam app at all)
Office suite: We do not recommend one at the moment
Pim suite: We do not recommend one at the moment.
Browser: We do not recommend one at the moment
for browser I would turn the recommendation the other way: let's explicitly
recommend to not use any of the Qt browsers.
I've heard people using e.g. QupZilla as their daily browser and not being
unhappy with it. I don't think it's at a state where I'd explicitly recommend
it,
but it's not so bad that I'd recommend _against_ it.
If an applicaiton does not show up in this list, this does of course
not mean we don't like the application or the team behind it, it just
means that we _currently_ don't feel confident to recommend it to
users.
This is our initial proposal, now we'd like to get the input from the
rest of the Plasma team!
Thanks for starting that thread, very important
Well someone had to do it ;)
I think it's also important to make ourselves aware of the situation we're
in with regard to basic applications, because that does also contribute to
people's overall impression of "KDE" (= desktop plus apps).
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