I'll think this one over a couple of days, but it looks good to me. On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Dr. Yasha Karant wrote:
> 1. Under the Intellectual Property guidelines of CSUSB, the University > owns nothing of academic work, including work done as part of research, > student projects, independent studies, or class work. The Intellectual > Property remains that of the originators: faculty and students. > > 2. Working with the community is no problem, although as with all voluntary > projects, there is no guarantee of continuity. Once we have something > operational (fully operational) per an SRS (or the equivalent), future > development and maintenance may return to the "community". > > 3. I am assuming that "ownership" is under the GPL or equivalent, as > Plex86 is *NOT* a for-profit venture (unlike VMWare). > > 4. Any innovative algorithms would be presented, along with implementations. > > Do the above satisfy you, or do you want to continue with the status quo, > without even the resources of entities such as the FSF? > > I am *NOT* a student, and I have been doing kernel internals "professionally" > starting in grad school. I also would attempt to "clean up" the design > and documentation to follow some semblance of software engineering > principles. I am a practitioner, not a theorist. > > > I like the idea on pedagogical grounds, but unless some _very_strict_ > > guidelines are followed, we will have to continue to decline. > > > > First off, this is a live project--so your students would need to work as > > closely with this community as with you. > > > > Second, we'd need to make sure that Cal State San Bernadino waves it's > > claim to ownership on any work that a student does for a class--as they > > could try to shut us down based on that if your students contribute as > > part of a class. This is a real problem and cannot be ignored. > > > > There are other issues, and if you'd like to discuss the idea further, I'd > > be willing the think it over--but I'm not going to let anything threaten > > the independence of this project. > > > > Also, it should be noted that: > > > > I'm a student myself, and I do this because I like it, in my own free > > time--and would not feel compelled to do the > > _extreemely_high_quality_work_ that I am willing to demand here if it were > > for a class. > > > > There is nothing wrong with a group of students & professors joining this > > project in a manner independent of Cal State--so long as it is understood > > that this is the case (and therefore the school owns none of it). There > > is obviously more to this than it sounds, and I will tell you now that it > > behooves you to find out what else may apply in your situation before you > > get yourself into trouble like one of the folks over at PerlMonks did. > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Dr. Yasha Karant wrote: > > > > > Joaquim, > > > > > > I discussed the option below during the BOCHS era but was declined. > > > > > > A number of faculty in the CS community can organize student projects > > > to "finish" Plex86. There are a variety of pedagogical justifications > > > for the work. > > > > > > The practical impetus to do this is not as great as it once was due to > > > VMWare. I realize that VMWare is a very much overpriced product, and > > > that VMWare came about as a university faculty spin-off (from Stanford). > > > > > > Would the Plex86 community be willing to permit this to happen? The > > > work would result in both internal publications/presentations at > > > the participating departments and probably some submissions to regular > > > journals/conferences. Moreover, we would attempt to make the basic > > > design (not the details of the implementation) portable to IA-64 because > > > that will be the next great push of the monopoly, after .NET . > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Yasha Karant > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > There was a time I started thinking that some Microsoft employee was > > > > in control of this list and he was doing his best to stop plex86 development. > > > > You give them too much credit. They're too busy to bother right now > > anyhow--you know it is hard work trying to take over the free world. > > > > > > > > > > We must all stop pretending to be programmers, pretending to be > > > > interested and pretending that we care. > > > > > > > > We must find someone with spare time to work on plex86 or this project > > > > will die. > > > > I'm working on it right now. Look at the savannah page, there is plenty > > to do. I'm not your mother, I'm not going to tell you what to do. It is > > your responsibilityto figure out how to put on your socks in the > > morning--and it is also your responsibility to figure out what you are > > going to do each day. If you choose to be part of this project then do > > so. Write some code. Run some tests. Come up with new ideas, some > > perviously overlooked documentation--you just grace us with your presence > > from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > It's unbelievable that we all find time to discuss and irrelevant questions > > > > and no one writes a single line of plex86 code. > > > > > > > > Christophe is writing code, I'm writing code--and I'm sure that there are > > others out there whom are capable of doing the same. Stop complaining and > > do something useful. As for discussing the list, it is useful--though > > time consuming. If anybody knows where to find Ulrich Wigand, then tell > > him we need to find out who supposedly maintains this list. I'd be happy > > to split the work with a couple of other people if he can't do it anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Joaquim Carvalho > > > > |^^^ | | |^^| |^^^ Drew Northup, N1XIM |^^| | |^^^ \ / /^^\ /^^~ > > |__ | | | | | |__| | |___ \/ |__| |__ > > | | | | | | www.plex86.org | | | /\ | | | \ > > ___| |__| |__| |___ web.syr.edu/~suoc/ | |___ |___ / \ __/ __/ > > > > > > > > |^^^ | | |^^| |^^^ Drew Northup, N1XIM |^^| | |^^^ \ / /^^\ /^^~ |__ | | | | | |__| | |___ \/ |__| |__ | | | | | | www.plex86.org | | | /\ | | | \ ___| |__| |__| |___ web.syr.edu/~suoc/ | |___ |___ / \ __/ __/
