>> I actually used to be a fan of napster until it >> turned into a music pirates dream house.
>You should have stopped here, since when you start to compare >BitTorrent with Napster your analogy falls apart... No, it's the key aspects of bittorrent and its comparison to napster that I am referring to. The shere fact is that its number one purpose was used for distributing the stuff I mentioned. I wouldn't be making this comparison if I found even one non illegal file for bittorrent distribution on the two file lists that I was told to go for for files. In fact when I first read about bittorrent and how it was designed my initial response WAS a GOOD response. I was looking forward to using it. It was only after I started looking for bittorrent files and found nothing but tons and tons of illegality did I decide, yup, just another napster. I guess the difference is this is a napster with less features and is less developed. :D And ultimately is more popular with the technological highbrow a little more willing to do their own footwork. Maybe I should have compared it to cocaine house. :D The point of fact is that it doest make a difference how 'legal' that 2% of the bittorrent userbase is. The fact that its being used by 98% of the populace to steal is what makes it comparable to napster. Not whether or not its got a search engine or not. Remember there was a percentage of napster too that was 'legal'. You tried to compare it to ftp and http saying they could just as easily be using them to distribute illegal files? That is so not the case its ridiculous. Before I finally came to my senses I spent 5 years deep into the software piracy underground. And let me tell you the only way in which you can safely and effectively distribute illegal software or music is when there is a high level of lack of accountability and control. The internet via ftp and http is far from that. Illegal software and music etc are all EXTREMELY popular and get hammered the second they go online. So where then can you 'safely' distribute these things via ftp and http? Certainly not on any of the public free websites. They all limit it. Certainly not on many of the cheaper fee websites. They also limit it because it crushes the bandwidth there too.. I even ran a porn site for a length of time and let me tell you that it was getting increasingly harder and hard to find ANYWHERE to host porn (as of about 3 or 4 years ago) where you didn't pay and arm and a leg up front for bandwidth. The only reason we see such a rampant populace of porn on the internet today is it is an EXTREMELY lucrative business and you CAN afford to spend a couple thousand dollars up front for a good internet connection because you WILL make back the money 10 fold in the first month. The primary difference between distributed p2p systems and straight ftp/http protocol systems is that the bandwidth provider cannot easily track the p2p system and there for they cannot charge for it accordingly. Thus meaning that any 16 year old with a cable connection can start sharing and hosting via p2p his own little porn ring without so much as a peep from his cable company unless he blows his bandwidth pipe through the roof without safeguards. So, no, they could NOT distribute the same stuff via http and ftp. Http and ftp are primarily 'registered' as my lock pick example was demonstrating. You have to atleast sign a credit card or send in a check to prove that you can pay for the bandwidth you are going to use. That is not the case for p2p. P2p without registration is like letting the kids into the candy store and telling them 'go wild'. If there is no control and no leadership and accountability then you are going to have total chaos insue and ultimately someone is going to get sick or hurt. >> (I do try to keep such fights impersonal, >Saying that we are supportive of crack houses isn't very >"impersonal", is it? ;-) I was being accurate and honest. Whether or not you take this as a personal offense is entirely under your control and decision. Now that I have compared you to supporting crack houses its up to you whether you say: 1) Your wrong. :D 2) I have a right to support crack houses and I am going to do it anyway. The crackhouse is only a personal attack if you decide that being associated with crackhouses is a bad thing. Ive actually met people that didn't think they were and would not be offended by my comment. I also choose not to do business with them. :D Its up to you whether you take offense at the remark and ultimately you that makes it a personal attack. Also please keep in mind, and Ill make this the last iteration of it. I don't want to overrun this list with a fight on the subject. I used to be allover napster/bittorrent/distributed systems as a good thing. Until I finally decided that my personal morality does not allow me to support something who's primary use is illegality even if its intended use is legal. It's a question of whether or not I wish to protect the greater good or serve my personal interests. I choose the greater good. But each person has their own perspective and their own accountability in that respect. Ill continue the conversion to a degree but if someone (admin preffered) wants to tell me to go away or quit it or whatever Ill respect their authority. _______________________________________________ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list _______________________________________________ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
