> If it so immoral to charge for your time and energy why do you charge
> your boss to pay your wages? I am sure you make money somehow. Why not
> work for them for free?
You really don't want to get into this with me, especially me.
I have been officially unemployed for 697 days. That's 100 weeks,
as of today. I do not have a "boss", and I do not charge them for my time.
On contracting projects I work on, I get paid for my insight, my code, my
time, and my hard work. This is called trade. I trade my time and skills
for something someone else needs. It is a mutually-agreeable arrangement.
If I didn't have to pay for a mortgage, food, fuel bills, power,
bandwidth, and other things, I would certainly not feel bad working for
free, as long as it is something I believe in. In fact, a good percentage
of my time is given away, gratis, to the community at large, on several
projects, mailing lists, websites, documents, and literally hundreds of
other things. I do these things gratis, because I believe in them, in some
way or another. I don't require "payment" for things I believe in. Do you
get paid to preach the word of God to people? I've read your website.
Would you find that immoral? Why do you do it for free?
> Or did you get your computer for free, your car or other mode of
> transportation for free, your house or other living area for free, food
> on the table, clothes on your back, etc etc.
No, in fact I didn't. I worked hard to achieve those things,
because they are "required" here in the US, for basic transportation and
common decency to function in society. If society could function without
them, I would certainly go without. I've had to make a LOT of sacrifices
over the last few years, and I'm not about to sacrifice something I
believe in, just because someone else doesn't agree with it.
> If you had no need for money you wouldn't have such a problem paying for
> a server to host the files directly. If you find it personally revolting
> to be paid for YOUR time and energy then just take the money needed to
> pay for the server and donate the rest to a charitable organization of
> your choice.
Excuse me, I do. 50% of -every- donation I receive goes to the FSF
(Free Software Foundation), to help fund -their- cause, which just happens
to align well with the cause most of us believe in.. the freedom and
ongoing liberty of Free Software.
> Just charge for http/ftp downloads. Then you could leave the bittorrent
> up for people who want to mess with it but provide a quick and easy
> access for those that don't want to use it or don't trust it or for
> whatever reason object to its use.
I have a better idea. Distribute the files over BitTorrent during
heavy load times as well as regular http downloads. If mirrors wish to
obtain the files, they can use the supplied BitTorrent links, and make
their own mirror. I'll be happy to link to it and advertise its location
on the Plucker website. If people don't wish to use BitTorrent (like
yourself), then they can wait until it appears on a mirror of their choice
(assuming there is one), or not.
Oh wait, we're already doing that. Problem solved.
> Being that ive already gotten it working Id probably use bittorrent the
> way I and several others on the list have described, as just a download
> tool, but had I been been a first time user to the site and seen a 5
> dollar download option I may have gone with it instead.
This is because you completely misunderstand the technology, and
are used to "leeching", given your self-described jaded past of openly and
knowingly violating copyright by illegally distributing commerical
software for download.
You can use BitTorrent as a downloading tool if you wish, but even
if you wanted to just use it to download, it is still uploading while it
is downloading. In a very small way, you're still contributing and
uploading back to other BitTorrent users, whether you like it or not. It
doesn't download the whole file, -then- begin uploading it. It downloads a
piece, then uploads that, and begins the upload/download process,
synchronously, until your full local file is downloaded. When you
disconnect, you've still contributed quite a bit back to other users by
uploading the pieces you already have.
> Anyway if ive stepped over any boundaries let me know. I can get
> intense in conversations and not always guauge the receiver best. Ill
> apologize for any offenses that I may have made against you personally.
No offense taken. I have a very thick skin.
I think you need to tone down your "My Way Is The Right Way(tm)"
diatribe. Insulting a group of users and developers who have produced
something -you- find useful, is not a good way to earn and keep friends in
the community. You should know that from your own personal belief system.
d.
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