Global warming is junk science! Why is the summer so cool this year?
Weather trends. The science tells us there are weather trends. There
was a mini ice age before there where cars. The ice caps are not
melting and the oceans rising. LA is still here. For 30 years you have
been telling us in 12 years the earth is going to burn up.
Just because a car heats up mean nothing more that do not leave anything
in your car that would be adversely effected by the summer sun and the
increased interior temperature.
Why does the sun not heat up your car during the winder? Is it global
cooling?
We know too little about the weather to determine what is happening.
That is what the scientists say.
What we do know is there is weather cycles and trends.
An what about all those hacked emails years ago where the weather
scientists where encouraging publishing false data.
What is it you wish to achieve? What so you want us to do?
On 2021-08-01 23:36, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
The time to ask for sources was 4 days ago, when I still had the
websites on my browser.
So I'll just say this: Get inside a car, in the summer sunlight, whose
windows and doors have been closed for a couple hours. It's hot. Really
hot. The light from the sun passed through the glass and heated the
seats and interior, heating them up. The heated surfaces emit a much
longer wavelength infrared, which is absorbed by the glass instead of
letting the longer infrared through. So a significant fraction of the
energy from the sun gets trapped in the car, heating it considerably.
We all learned that in high school physics. Here's a reference:
https://www.greenerchoices.org/how-does-a-greenhouse-work/
So the remaining question is, does C02 act like glass? Here are some
cites that say it does:
https://earthathome.org/quick-faqs/why-is-carbon-dioxide-called-a-greenhouse-gas/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-carbon-dioxide-is-greenhouse-gas/
Listen, I understand your need to look at science through the lens of
an agenda. The "I got mine, screw everyone else" attitude is quite
popular these days, causing people to grasp at straws when science
disagrees with their pet philosophy. But facts are facts, the more C02
we spew, the hotter Earth gets. And when it gets hot enough, it
releases the methane gas in the ocean:
https://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/energy/methane-hydrates/
And with the released methane, all of a sudden it gets *a
lot* hotter. This has happened in some major extinction events:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1871174X16300488
Volcanos were the usual cause. But not this time.
If you don't believe my cites, find some of your own that aren't agenda
driven.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 1 Aug 2021 14:17:30 -0700
I was going to go into a long involved essay on this citing many facts
and figures, but I won’t. You cited these numbers, now show your work
with sources.
Some of your figures don’t account for changes in population versus
use by sector or total energy = total used + total wasted. It also
doesn’t explain how China managed to use over 50% of the planetary
supply of coal in 2020 (more than double that of the US for the same
period) And that is just coal. (See the fortune article here:
https://fortune.com/2021/03/29/china-coal-energy-electricity-xi-jinping-2020-ember/)
and it also doesn’t properly explain energy efficiency taking into
account usage by sector (see
https://www.indy100.com/news/the-world-s-most-energy-efficient-countries-7334291
). It also doesn’t account for changes in technology in the energy
sector, in specific changes in technology in the transportation sector
since 1965 (see
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/09/20190930-sivak.html) or
changes in price per gallon of various fossil fuels since 1965 (see
Cost of gas the year you were born | The State
<https://www.thestate.com/news/databases/article68603317.html>).
Now, as for your other points, please show me hard data (in accessible
format for the blind) over the last 30 years showing actual facts,
verified data that isn’t cherry picked, padded or otherwise pulled out
of thin air) on those points. Only then can we have a reasonable
discussion. So far, you haven’t really shown much on those other
points.
SO, please, show your data and show your source that supports it.
Talking points (regardless of political leaning) are just not
acceptable.
-Eric
From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Library Dept.
On Jul 28, 2021, at 1:13 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 22:53:09 -0700
So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of
some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people
from owning technologies that would make their lives more
convenient. Regulations put in place by politicians who know
nothing of real science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now,
where does that leave us?
It leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard. Boo
hoo hoo.
What's this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the
energy equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million
people, equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the
equivalent of 18,684 million barrels and has 328 million people,
equaling 56.9 barrels per person.
So here's the question: If some country using almost triple the
energy per person than your country says *you* are the problem and
should cut, and they won't do squat until you cut, what would you
say to them?
You ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves
you having lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it
leaves you with a very hard (and probably considerably
foreshortened) second half of your life. If you were just born
today, by the time you graduate college, the world will be rife with
climate refugees and water wars, and by the time you're 50, if you
last that long, the population decline will be brutal and pretty
universal except for the very rich. All because everybody in 2021
said the other guy should cut his emissions first.
One more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according to
them the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as
those of the EU.
I feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who
play at a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for
their grandchildren.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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