Nice job Eric!! I'm going to print this out and frame it. This is the side of the debate that is being kept from us.


On 2021-07-27 22:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Yes,
However, California is also in the midst of a cyclic drought (tree
ring studies going back nearly 1k years proves this).

Also, California has one of the longest coastlines of any state. One
last item, how is it that much of the intermountain west (which has
many thousands of square miles of desert be cooler than California on
Average?

In point of fact, Arizona often sees higher average tempuratures each
summer and is one of the few states that see consistently more than
140 days a year above 100 F. We are also in the midst of a long period
drought that started in the middle 1980’s and is continuing. This
mirrors the previous dry period that started roughly 1,000 years ago
and lasted some 550 years with a 50 year long mega drought near it’s
beginning some 980 years ago.

Now, as for carbon footprint, those wind turbines take an enormous
amount of fossil fuels to create, from the high precision machined
bearings to the blades that are manufactured with materials that are,
buy their very nature, not recyclable. They are also very inefficient
(lower than a typical comparable solar facility with an average of 30%
efficiency directly converting light to energy. Those very solar
facilities use panels that are made with highly toxic materials (such
as cadmium, lead, and selenium among other heavy metals).much of the
panels are manufactured in china, by workers who are either slave
labor or poorly paid wage slaves, working in conditions that we don’t
allow here. The same materials and technologies exist in the very
computer systems you and I use for emails like this and also are the
very same systems we use to run Linux on.

So, we can all either sit here and pontificate upon all of this or
actually take some viable action. The question then becomes, how much
of this technology are you willing to live without? I know I certainly
can’t if I want to be able to read my printed mail (not possible for a
totally blind individual without technology to convert text to
speech). How about keeping my place cool with a swamp cooler that uses
an actual scientific advance called Phase duration modulation in order
to regulate motor speed and reduce current usage. Air conditioning
would be nice, but costs too much to run. Also, without all this tech,
paying the bills would take considerably longer, ordering things for
delivery would require a printed catalogue and a telephone. Want to do
without technology, say goodbye to your smart device, big flat screen
and various other gadgets. How much tech does the grocery business
require? Getting that food from the farm to the shelf requires a lot
more than you think. Scanners in the store to take and update
inventory, computers to manage the databases generated by all that
data, network connections to corporate HQ’s, programs to determine
best allocation of food based on sales, etc. Communication with the
distributors to best transport those goods (right along with keeping
track of them, databases, etc, rolling stock, employees, and many
other factors). Distributors also must be able to communicate with
producers to see what they have available, etc.

So, while folks are contemplating how California will deal with their
own problems, everyone should be looking 5,000 miles further west at
the source of many of the political mumbo jumbo, environmental
pollution and even materials rationing. Yep, China. The biggest
offender on the planet who gives 2 cents in care to anyone who would
object (about the cost of the bullet they would use to terminate your
complaints). China, who uses enough fossil fuels to manufacture,
produce and ship products and energy. China, who is also the largest
producer of toxic metal pollution, plastic pollution in the oceans and
worst offender of human rights on the planet. And yeah, they are also
the ones who produced the very virus that was leaked to the world and
caused almost 19 months of economic and health chaos. The very same
China with a political machine that has been influencing many on our
side of the pacific to buy into policies designed to break us and make
us easy for hostile takeover. So, while we are all distracted with
EV’s, solar panels, wind generators and sustainable tech, they are
keeping their eyes on the prize and seeking to control much of the
planet.

So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of
some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people
from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient.
Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real
science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave
us?

-Eric
From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Ministry of facts.


On Jul 27, 2021, at 9:52 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:22:33 -0700

It is also interesting that those very same states that push EV’s also
have not upgraded their power systems in quite some time. California
is the leader on this list of shame with rolling blackouts and
brownouts each summer.

I think this is unfair to California. Much of California is the hottest
in the US. Greenhouse gasses are created by everyone, but California
can least afford to gain a degree. California is also the most
populous state in the nation. So in spite of EV's and all their other
moves to limit environmental damage, they can't reduce the heat that
radiates or blows into California, so they can't keep all their
citizens' houses below 85 Fahrenheit. Hence the rolling blackouts.

They also want to put up more windmills, off
shore! Talk about throwing good money after bad and causing those of
us with computers that are capable of running linux no end of trouble.

I'm not sure how windmills cause havoc with Linux. I thought that was
done by Microsoft.

California could sure use more fission reactors, but in a place where
7+ earthquakes are frequent, doing so is just too likely to cause
another Chernobyl. Plus, anything near the coast is likely to go
Fukushima with a tsunami. They don't have a river capable of generating huge power from its current. They can't import from surrounding states,
and back in the day, when they imported from Texas, the Texan power
companies stiffed California's power grid in order to make a bigger
profit.

So, other than solar, wind and conservation, I don't see what other
options California has.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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