On 9/22/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pasensiya po kung tag-lish ang sagot ko.
Actually, kapag naipasa ang proposed bill.. wala nang magbibid ng propriety software. :)
Pero hindi naman ata ibig sabihin nito ay isang FOSS na inferior na lang ang mapipili ng gobyerno. Hindi ba't may mga standards at specifications na irerequire ang isang ahensiya bago ito magpa-bid ng isang project? Natural lang na dahil sa proseso ng bidding (assuming na walang irregularidad) ay makakapili ang gobyerno ng isang matinong FOSS na makakasagot sa kanyang pangangailangan.
Somehow agree ako syo na hindi rason na aasa tayong "lalambot" ang proposed bill pagkaraan nito sa deliberasyon. Ang isang bagay na tama at totoo, ay hindi dapat bina-bargain.
Ano un? Kapag may ilusot, eh di ilusot?
Self-induced meaning kapag ginusto mong mangyari syo eh mangyayari? At least may choice ka pa rin na hindi ito "ma-induced" sa vendor lockin.. di ba?
Peace!
> > In the case of Inferior FOSS vs. Competent non-FOSS : the government
> > will use FOSS if this bill becomes law!!! And that's what you say is
> > clearly more advantageous to government?
>
> For crying out loud... you don't need the FOSS bill to consider that if
> a particular FOSS solution would be clearly not satisfying the technical
> and functional requirements - it won't even be considered! Isn't that
> what bidding and qualification all about? Sheesh...
>
Oh wait, but the FOSS bill doesn't even cover that part of the
equation on procurement and acquisition of third party service! And
even if there's bidding process, let's say inferior FOSS still gets
through and it's pit against competent non-FOSS, then with the bill
made law FOSS will prevail!
Pasensiya po kung tag-lish ang sagot ko.
Actually, kapag naipasa ang proposed bill.. wala nang magbibid ng propriety software. :)
Pero hindi naman ata ibig sabihin nito ay isang FOSS na inferior na lang ang mapipili ng gobyerno. Hindi ba't may mga standards at specifications na irerequire ang isang ahensiya bago ito magpa-bid ng isang project? Natural lang na dahil sa proseso ng bidding (assuming na walang irregularidad) ay makakapili ang gobyerno ng isang matinong FOSS na makakasagot sa kanyang pangangailangan.
>
> Don't you get it? This bill would be watered down for sure (unless fire
> and brimstone rain from the heavens and annihilate all the corrupt
> people in government). If you compromise your proposal WAY before the
> arguments start, the end result won't be amounting to anything!
>
Do it once, do it well. Making extremist bills is not excusable even
if it's going to be watered down. What I'm disagreeing to is the
initial "mandatory FOSS" proposition, regardless if it's going to be
watered down in congress.
Somehow agree ako syo na hindi rason na aasa tayong "lalambot" ang proposed bill pagkaraan nito sa deliberasyon. Ang isang bagay na tama at totoo, ay hindi dapat bina-bargain.
Ano un? Kapag may ilusot, eh di ilusot?
> >
> > Which is precisly my point: if these were the objectives, then how
> > does making FOSS mandatory achieve these goals again? Government can
> > choose to use only RHEL or SuSE on all the systems -- and they're
> > again locked into a single vendor. Using FOSS only in government will
> > not directly translate to fostering the local IT industry.
>
> Hardly lockin. Migrating would be expensive, but consider that with the
> code being FOSS, the option to migrate to another platform that would be
> open is, and will always be open. Contrast this to using proprietary
> code on proprietary platforms - you don't even have that choice!
>
Lock-in in using FOSS is not impossible, and it can be self-induced.
Self-induced meaning kapag ginusto mong mangyari syo eh mangyayari? At least may choice ka pa rin na hindi ito "ma-induced" sa vendor lockin.. di ba?
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