hi johann... the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of our energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity...
fooler. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but just my two > centavos worth: > > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few minutes of > googling tells me it's promising. > > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And guess > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's the harm > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in their > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the government > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some years > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. There's > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate results, as > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. clear forests > to make a solar farm). > > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. For > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power lines to > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can help. > > Johann > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing the >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's monopoly >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this country, >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more expensive here >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Niels Tomey >> Manager Technical Operations Department >> iXSforall >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi fooler, >>> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or better yet as >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can contribute? >>> >>> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: >>>> >>>> hi dan, >>>> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean >>>> nuclear energy... >>>> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... >>>> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in technology... >>>> >>>> fooler. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From where I'm >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. >>>>> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the future. >>>>> But >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially available, >>>>> solar >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like Obet, I >>>>>> will >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i give you >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the >>>>>>> experiments >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with the cost >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy before... it >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a cellphone and >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their facebook.. >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development of >>>>>>> thorium... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy Thorium in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you bombard >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to handle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable energy >>>>>>>> anytime >>>>>>>> soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear technology has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search for a >>>>>>>> magic >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The difference >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel is so >>>>>>>> vast >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's really >>>>>>>> questionable >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the >>>>>>>> development of >>>>>>>> thorium." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean nuclear >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or Raon...)." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have ended up on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be for >>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Obet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to plug if >>>>>>>>>> fools >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are allowed to >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known better. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do today. I >>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, even if >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. If plug >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Obet >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think it will >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness these :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an action to >>>>>>>>>>> cool >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but just like >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you happy, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. All I >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on this list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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