My apology for the confusion fooler I mean no objection. I admire your commitment here in plug. Im also tired of corruption here in our country. Our lives could have been better. On Mar 27, 2015 11:22 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote:
> i understand your side philip and i thank everybody (including you) > who have the courage to an open debate with me and contribute to this > debate... > > the problem is.. the original poster is not an open minded and > transparent.. and worst trying to project himself as an expert on the > subject matter... he hide the cons of solar energy and the impact to > the environment in the long run compare to other energy sources.. > > one thing to note also the connivance of our corrupt officials and > business man creating an artificial energy shortage because of the > demand and supply principle... when the demand is high and the supply > is low.. the price is higher... hence raking more profit... > > fooler. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, philip morales <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thats is really not my point, :( if thorium is available now or if > someone > > can start anything about it now then I will support it. Thats not a > problem. > > :) > > > > Those who think solar is a complete waste of time then nothing stop them > > from engaging with it. Also we cannot shoot down someone who wants to > share > > his work about renewable energy if he believes there are people who need > it > > today. > > > > On Mar 27, 2015 10:41 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> you said: > >> > >> "Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot > >> not be implemented today or in the near future." > >> > >> "Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of > >> time." > >> > >> thats the question because india already implemented and why > >> philippines cant and doing nothing and waiting for something to > >> happen? > >> > >> see the tables of the link below why solar is a completely waste of > >> time because of low efficiency and taking a lot of space compare to > >> other sources of energy: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines > >> > >> fooler. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, philip morales <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can > >> > support > >> > it. > >> > > >> > On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india is > >> >> doing it already.. why philippines cant? > >> >> > >> >> fooler. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. > >> >> > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be > >> >> > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in the > >> >> > lives of > >> >> > our fellow citizen. > >> >> > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it > cannot > >> >> > not be > >> >> > implemented today or in the near future. > >> >> > > >> >> > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in > his > >> >> > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. > We > >> >> > can > >> >> > reach those people who actually need it. > >> >> > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it > as > >> >> > well. > >> >> > > >> >> > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a > >> >> > good > >> >> > investment. > >> >> > > >> >> > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's > >> >> > advocacy > >> >> > is > >> >> > not a waste of time. > >> >> > > >> >> > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste > of > >> >> > time. > >> >> > > >> >> > Phil > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will > >> >> >> tell someday... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > leave > >> >> >> > it at. Good evening. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> hi johann... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> our > >> >> >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop > solar > >> >> >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity > >> >> >> >> there > >> >> >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as > >> >> >> >> what > >> >> >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. > >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, > but > >> >> >> >> > just > >> >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> > two > >> >> >> >> > centavos worth: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a > few > >> >> >> >> > minutes > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some > resources > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not > >> >> >> >> > cover > >> >> >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. > >> >> >> >> > And > >> >> >> >> > guess > >> >> >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. > >> >> >> >> > What's > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > harm > >> >> >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar > >> >> >> >> > systems > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if > the > >> >> >> >> > government > >> >> >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take > >> >> >> >> > some > >> >> >> >> > years > >> >> >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW > >> >> >> >> > helps. > >> >> >> >> > There's > >> >> >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give > immediate > >> >> >> >> > results, > >> >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good > (e.g. > >> >> >> >> > clear > >> >> >> >> > forests > >> >> >> >> > to make a solar farm). > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term > solutions. > >> >> >> >> > For > >> >> >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out > >> >> >> >> > power > >> >> >> >> > lines to > >> >> >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar > can > >> >> >> >> > help. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Johann > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install > thorium-reactor > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad > >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down > >> >> >> >> >> Meralco's > >> >> >> >> >> monopoly > >> >> >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this > >> >> >> >> >> country, > >> >> >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more > >> >> >> >> >> expensive > >> >> >> >> >> here > >> >> >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey > >> >> >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> >> >> >> >> iXSforall > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Hi fooler, > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or > >> >> >> >> >>> better > >> >> >> >> >>> yet > >> >> >> >> >>> as > >> >> >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, > >> >> >> >> >>> can > >> >> >> >> >>> contribute? > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> hi dan, > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that > focusing > >> >> >> >> >>>> on > >> >> >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is > >> >> >> >> >>>> not > >> >> >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on > >> >> >> >> >>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant > energy > >> >> >> >> >>>> (or > >> >> >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >> >> >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in > >> >> >> >> >>>> technology... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching > >> >> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> From > >> >> >> >> >>>>> where > >> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source > in > >> >> >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>> future. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> But > >> >> >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become > commercially > >> >> >> >> >>>>> available, > >> >> >> >> >>>>> solar > >> >> >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in > stores. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment > if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> i > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> give > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> experiments > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cost > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> before... > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> their > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> development > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you > buy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? > After > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult > to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> renewable > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> technology > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> has > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> been > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. > "The > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> difference > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources > of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuel > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> so > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vast > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> really > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money > on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> development of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store > (or > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to > have > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ended > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> up > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant > to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> public > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome > to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> expertise. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> known > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still > do > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care > about, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> even > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> practices. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to > witness > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> these > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> action > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing > makes > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> debate. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still > on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> this > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. (And google "NO > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> BRAINER" > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> after > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Holy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Week.) > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings to all pluggers, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obet Verzola > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> 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