other countries are using and improving thorium already... india is doing it already.. why philippines cant?
fooler. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales <[email protected]> wrote: > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in the lives of > our fellow citizen. > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot not be > implemented today or in the near future. > > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in his > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. We can > reach those people who actually need it. > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it as well. > > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a good > investment. > > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's advocacy is > not a waste of time. > > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of time. > > Phil > > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will >> tell someday... >> >> fooler. >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below and >> > leave >> > it at. Good evening. >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> hi johann... >> >> >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of our >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but just >> >> > my >> >> > two >> >> > centavos worth: >> >> > >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few >> >> > minutes >> >> > of >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. >> >> > >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And >> >> > guess >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's >> >> > the >> >> > harm >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in >> >> > their >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the >> >> > government >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some >> >> > years >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. >> >> > There's >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate >> >> > results, >> >> > as >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. clear >> >> > forests >> >> > to make a solar farm). >> >> > >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. For >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power >> >> > lines to >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can help. >> >> > >> >> > Johann >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor >> >> >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing the >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's >> >> >> monopoly >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this >> >> >> country, >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more >> >> >> expensive >> >> >> here >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department >> >> >> iXSforall >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi fooler, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or better >> >> >>> yet >> >> >>> as >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can >> >> >>> contribute? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> hi dan, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in technology... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> fooler. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From >> >> >>>>> where >> >> >>>>> I'm >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the >> >> >>>>> future. >> >> >>>>> But >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially >> >> >>>>> available, >> >> >>>>> solar >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I >> >> >>>>>> will >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i >> >> >>>>>>> give >> >> >>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the >> >> >>>>>>> experiments >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>> cost >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy >> >> >>>>>>> before... >> >> >>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone >> >> >>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development of >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium >> >> >>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard >> >> >>>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable >> >> >>>>>>>> energy >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ >> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear >> >> >>>>>>>> technology >> >> >>>>>>>> has >> >> >>>>>>>> been >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search for >> >> >>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>> magic >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The >> >> >>>>>>>> difference >> >> >>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel >> >> >>>>>>>> is >> >> >>>>>>>> so >> >> >>>>>>>> vast >> >> >>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's really >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the >> >> >>>>>>>> development of >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have ended >> >> >>>>>>>>> up >> >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be >> >> >>>>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>>>> public >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to plug >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do today. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, even >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think it >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness these >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an action >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but just >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. All >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on this >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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