i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will tell someday...
fooler. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle <[email protected]> wrote: > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below and leave > it at. Good evening. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> hi johann... >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of our >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... >> >> fooler. >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but just my >> > two >> > centavos worth: >> > >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few minutes >> > of >> > googling tells me it's promising. >> > >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And guess >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's the >> > harm >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in >> > their >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the >> > government >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some years >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. >> > There's >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate results, >> > as >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. clear >> > forests >> > to make a solar farm). >> > >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. For >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power >> > lines to >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can help. >> > >> > Johann >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing the >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's >> >> monopoly >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this country, >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more expensive >> >> here >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department >> >> iXSforall >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi fooler, >> >>> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or better yet >> >>> as >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can >> >>> contribute? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> hi dan, >> >>>> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean >> >>>> nuclear energy... >> >>>> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... >> >>>> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in technology... >> >>>> >> >>>> fooler. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From where >> >>>>> I'm >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the >> >>>>> future. >> >>>>> But >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially >> >>>>> available, >> >>>>> solar >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like Obet, I >> >>>>>> will >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i give >> >>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the >> >>>>>>> experiments >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with the >> >>>>>>> cost >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy before... >> >>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a cellphone >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their >> >>>>>>> facebook.. >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development of >> >>>>>>> thorium... >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> fooler. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy Thorium >> >>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you >> >>>>>>>> bombard >> >>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to handle. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable energy >> >>>>>>>> anytime >> >>>>>>>> soon. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear technology >> >>>>>>>> has >> >>>>>>>> been >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search for a >> >>>>>>>> magic >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The >> >>>>>>>> difference >> >>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel is >> >>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>> vast >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's really >> >>>>>>>> questionable >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the >> >>>>>>>> development of >> >>>>>>>> thorium." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean >> >>>>>>>> nuclear >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have ended up >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be for >> >>>>>>>>> public >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to plug if >> >>>>>>>>>> fools >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are allowed >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>> get >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known better. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do today. I >> >>>>>>>>>> won't >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, even if >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. If >> >>>>>>>>>> plug >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think it >> >>>>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness these >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an action to >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but just >> >>>>>>>>>>> like >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. All I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on this >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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