What impact are you talking about? And corruption can't stop people acquiring solar power production capabilities themselves.
We are lucky we can do that. In Poland users of solar panels need to pay tax for every kilowatt hour of electricity they use from their own solar panels. Even the solar panel manufacturers have managed their waste effectively. And what's the problem with using land not used for food production? You would rather have people plant food crops on their roof? And the solar manufacturers can use solar power to produce solar cells. Thats interesting. Solar is very low maintenance for potentially decades. And solar cells are getting cheaper every year. Thorium research will require government support. Even big business can not provide the money by themselves. You think the philippine government has that kind of will? Only India has active reactors actually using thorium. Even the u.s. never went that far then they shut it down. thorium needs an initiator. It does not really readily become critical by itself. Its supposed to absorb neutrons to become uranium.Usually the source is uranium itself which we dont have. Another way would be to use neutron from accelerators. Which we don't have. Wait its actually illlegal to be producing weapons grade uranium in the Phil. Hmmmm. Accelerators require ... lots and lots of electricity. Maybe we can use solar plants to provide that power? And thorium metal has the highest melting point of all metals and the only possible way to use them is fuel in molten salt reactors. Thorium is interesting but still it requires uranium based infrastructure. Which the Philippines will not have ever. On Mar 27, 2015 3:22 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > > i understand your side philip and i thank everybody (including you) > who have the courage to an open debate with me and contribute to this > debate... > > the problem is.. the original poster is not an open minded and > transparent.. and worst trying to project himself as an expert on the > subject matter... he hide the cons of solar energy and the impact to > the environment in the long run compare to other energy sources.. > > one thing to note also the connivance of our corrupt officials and > business man creating an artificial energy shortage because of the > demand and supply principle... when the demand is high and the supply > is low.. the price is higher... hence raking more profit... > > fooler. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, philip morales <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thats is really not my point, :( if thorium is available now or if someone > > can start anything about it now then I will support it. Thats not a problem. > > :) > > > > Those who think solar is a complete waste of time then nothing stop them > > from engaging with it. Also we cannot shoot down someone who wants to share > > his work about renewable energy if he believes there are people who need it > > today. > > > > On Mar 27, 2015 10:41 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> you said: > >> > >> "Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot > >> not be implemented today or in the near future." > >> > >> "Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of > >> time." > >> > >> thats the question because india already implemented and why > >> philippines cant and doing nothing and waiting for something to > >> happen? > >> > >> see the tables of the link below why solar is a completely waste of > >> time because of low efficiency and taking a lot of space compare to > >> other sources of energy: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines > >> > >> fooler. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, philip morales <[email protected] > > >> wrote: > >> > I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can > >> > support > >> > it. > >> > > >> > On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india is > >> >> doing it already.. why philippines cant? > >> >> > >> >> fooler. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. > >> >> > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be > >> >> > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in the > >> >> > lives of > >> >> > our fellow citizen. > >> >> > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot > >> >> > not be > >> >> > implemented today or in the near future. > >> >> > > >> >> > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in his > >> >> > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. We > >> >> > can > >> >> > reach those people who actually need it. > >> >> > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it as > >> >> > well. > >> >> > > >> >> > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a > >> >> > good > >> >> > investment. > >> >> > > >> >> > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's > >> >> > advocacy > >> >> > is > >> >> > not a waste of time. > >> >> > > >> >> > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of > >> >> > time. > >> >> > > >> >> > Phil > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will > >> >> >> tell someday... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > leave > >> >> >> > it at. Good evening. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> hi johann... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> our > >> >> >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar > >> >> >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity > >> >> >> >> there > >> >> >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as > >> >> >> >> what > >> >> >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. > >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but > >> >> >> >> > just > >> >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> > two > >> >> >> >> > centavos worth: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few > >> >> >> >> > minutes > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources > >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not > >> >> >> >> > cover > >> >> >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. > >> >> >> >> > And > >> >> >> >> > guess > >> >> >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. > >> >> >> >> > What's > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > harm > >> >> >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar > >> >> >> >> > systems > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the > >> >> >> >> > government > >> >> >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take > >> >> >> >> > some > >> >> >> >> > years > >> >> >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW > >> >> >> >> > helps. > >> >> >> >> > There's > >> >> >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate > >> >> >> >> > results, > >> >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. > >> >> >> >> > clear > >> >> >> >> > forests > >> >> >> >> > to make a solar farm). > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. > >> >> >> >> > For > >> >> >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out > >> >> >> >> > power > >> >> >> >> > lines to > >> >> >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can > >> >> >> >> > help. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Johann > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad > >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down > >> >> >> >> >> Meralco's > >> >> >> >> >> monopoly > >> >> >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this > >> >> >> >> >> country, > >> >> >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more > >> >> >> >> >> expensive > >> >> >> >> >> here > >> >> >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey > >> >> >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> >> >> >> >> iXSforall > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Hi fooler, > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or > >> >> >> >> >>> better > >> >> >> >> >>> yet > >> >> >> >> >>> as > >> >> >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, > >> >> >> >> >>> can > >> >> >> >> >>> contribute? > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> hi dan, > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing > >> >> >> >> >>>> on > >> >> >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is > >> >> >> >> >>>> not > >> >> >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on > >> >> >> >> >>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy > >> >> >> >> >>>> (or > >> >> >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >> >> >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in > >> >> >> >> >>>> technology... > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching > >> >> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> From > >> >> >> >> >>>>> where > >> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in > >> >> >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>> future. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> But > >> >> >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially > >> >> >> >> >>>>> available, > >> >> >> >> >>>>> solar > >> >> >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> i > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> give > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> experiments > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cost > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> before... > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> their > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> development > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> renewable > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> technology > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> has > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> been > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> difference > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuel > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> so > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vast > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> really > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> development of > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ended > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> up > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> public > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> expertise. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> known > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> even > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> practices. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> these > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> action > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> debate. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> this > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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