On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Louie Miranda wrote:

> > And my point is why even bother?  When every modern linux distribution
> > comes with SSH.
>
> Again, its not for you. Its for those who want to try it for curiousity
> sake. Im not suggesting it you use it. Only for those who want to!
>
> >  When SSH has so much more security features than plain
> >  telnet over ssl?
>
> Comment lang kta dito.. "plain telnet over ssl" its not plain anymore when
> you put it over in the "secure socket layer" the traffic becomes more secure
> by encrypting it using SSL. Your passwords and the data you send will not go
> in cleartext over the line.

This is only one aspect about security of remote shell logins that telnet
over ssl solves.

> Its simple, its like https. Or pop3 over ssl, stunnel.

Quoting:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200305/msg03935.html

SSH was not created as a clone of the spop3 or stunnel or https.  It also
attempts to solve other problems aside from the above.

> And this is your point. "Basically that is what ssh/d is designed for. So
> why use it?"
> My Answer, its not for you. Its for those who are interested to gain more
> experience rather than using those default packages.

This is like saying "if you are interested, you can try this new security
tool.  It's called a hook and eye.  It will keep your door shut and seems
to do a good job of it.  Try and experience it, and by the way it's an
alternative to that thing called a dead-bolt which by the way, you also
already have.

> Whereas telnet over SSL is a workaround to make telnet act more like SSH.

SSH attempts to solve a lot more problems associated with remote shell
sessions than simple encryption of the data passing through the transport
medium.

> Thats your point of view, I have mine.
> And i respect yours, so respect mine.

I'm sorry but i totally disagree.  This is not something which one can
argue one's way past.  Telnet over ssl as a solution to network security
is so much more inferior to SSH, and in fact, does not even merit one's
curiosity and time to explore.

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