Under the U.S. Constitution What do you want to cut first? Medicare, Medicaid, etc, they are not constitutional. The U.S. Constitution specifically states the Federal Gov will provide for defense. It does not mention social security, medicare, medicaid... food stamps, unemployment...education... these things if done are reserved to the people and the state - 10th Amendment.
You are right, people have been getting married before Jesus, but not before God. God created marriage. God brought Adam and Eve together in the first marriage. It was not ordained by Gov but by God. Marriage is between a man and a woman. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Lonnie Olson <li...@kittypee.com> wrote: From: Lonnie Olson <li...@kittypee.com> Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing? To: p...@ryansimpkins.com, "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug@plug.org> Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 11:34 AM On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Ryan Simpkins <p...@ryansimpkins.com> wrote: > Did Mr. Snowden do the right thing by disclosing PRISM and similar programs to > the world, or did he violate the trust of his employer, government, and fellow > countrymen by reveling secrets that aught not to have been reveled? Intelligence gathering and secrecy are extremely important to maintaining the safety of our country. However there are limits. Sometimes and rarely there are times when the practices and/or laws of government are not acceptable. These are the cases where civil disobedience are necessary to start changes in laws and government. We can see in this interview that Snowden carefully thought about this problem and decided that these actions crossed the line. I personally totally agree with his decision. Yes he violated the trust of his employer and government, but he retained the trust of his fellow countrymen. In my opinion every citizen has a responsibility to do what is right and even commit civil disobedience in these rare cases where it is necessary. As to the matter of prosecution, yes he should be prosecuted. He broke the law, and it is a consequence of civil disobedience. However it shouldn't be death. His actions did not endanger any lives, and only brought to light the practices of the NSA. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Nathan England <nat...@nmecs.com> wrote: > While it may not be appropriate for > this list, I have to say, I think with the removal of Jesus Christ from > society and a > capitalist system that has largely forgotten God altogether, I don't know > that this > country has any real ethics anymore. Ethics are not dependent upon a god. Ethics can and should be derived from science and logic. By the way, even the basic idea of Ethics did not come from a god, and especially not Jesus Christ. The term comes from the Greek word ethos, which means "character", long before said Jesus Christ was born. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Nathan England <nat...@nmecs.com> wrote: > Personally, I think gitmo should remain open. We may need to expand it a > little . . . Guantanamo Bay is another perfect example of abuse of power, and unethical actions. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > We are taxed at a higher rate, it is just hidden. We may pay less in income > tax, however we are taxed at almost all levels. > > Look at your utility bill, phone bill, cellular bill...etc. When I was a kid > sales tax was 4.5% now it is close to 10%. Sales tax and these other taxes you mention are collected by and for completely different organizations than the Federal government. Conflating them is completely dishonest when talking about the federal government. Also, if you want to lower taxes drastically, you must accept that there will be cuts to government provided services. What do you want to cut first? Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Marriage is a Christian concept not a Government concept. Therefore the Gov > should not be in the marriage business. I do not care what gays do. However > I believe they should not marry in a Biblical sense. If they want to > co-habitat go for it. Civil unions go for it. I will not be a party of such > stuff. Um, No! Marriage is not a Christian concept. People have been getting married long before Jesus Christ was around. Even if you want to classify it as a religious concept only, then are you willing to pay increased taxes for a long period of time in order to support the effort to modify hundreds or possibly thousands of laws, paperwork, etc. Marriage is so deeply entrenched in our society and government that it is next to impossible to remove it. It would be far easier and less difficult to rebrand religious marriage differently, if you truly care about keeping them separate. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
