I don't see how refusing to perform or provide services in a very open market could even remotely be construed as "Persecution".....
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > they're free to practice their religion. > they are not free to persecute lgbt or muslims. > > > On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:05:12 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> What about these Christian's right to practice their religion freely >> without prosecution? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> more proof that only religious myth believers persecute gays. >>> >>> they were also ordered by the court to put up an anti-discrimination >>> sign on their property. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:08:57 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Eowyn posted: "The Gaystapo strikes again. A Christian couple >>>> who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined $10,000 for declined a >>>> lesbian couple’s request to hold a wedding ceremony on their property. The >>>> owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each lesbian" Respond >>>> to this post by replying above this line >>>> >>>> New post on *Fellowship of the Minds* >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> Christian farm >>>> owners fined $13,000 for declining to host lesbian wedding >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/> >>>> by >>>> Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> >>>> >>>> The Gaystapo strikes again. >>>> >>>> A Christian couple who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined >>>> $10,000 for declined a lesbian couple’s request to hold a wedding ceremony >>>> on their property. The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each >>>> lesbian. >>>> >>>> [image: Liberty Ridge Farm] >>>> <https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/liberty-ridge-farm.jpg> >>>> >>>> *The Washington Pos* >>>> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/farm-owners-fined-for-saying-no-to-lesbian-wedding/2014/08/19/1cfe5ca2-27dd-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_story.html>t >>>> reports, Aug. 19, 2014, that *Cynthia and Robert Gifford*, who own *Liberty >>>> Ridge Farm* near Albany, rent their facilities for birthday parties >>>> and about a dozen weddings each year. >>>> >>>> [image: Cynthia & Robert Gifford] >>>> <https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/cynthia-and-robert-gifford.jpg> >>>> >>>> Cynthia & Robert Gifford >>>> >>>> When *Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin*, a lesbian couple from >>>> Newark, N.J., requested to use the facility for their 2012 wedding, >>>> *Cynthia >>>> Gifford offered the farm for a reception, but not for the wedding >>>> ceremony.* >>>> Weddings typically are conducted on the first floor of the Giffords’ home >>>> or in an adjacent field. >>>> >>>> [image: Jennifer McCarthy (l), Melisa Erwin (r)] >>>> <https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/jennifer-mccarthy-and-melisa-erwin.jpg> >>>> >>>> Jennifer McCarthy (l), Melisa Erwin (r) >>>> >>>> James Trainor, the Giffords' lawyer, said the farm owners attend a >>>> community church and cite their religious belief of marriage between a man >>>> and woman for declining to hold a same-sex wedding on their >>>> property. “Liberty Ridge Farm has employed gay people and has conducted >>>> events for same-sex couples,” Trainor said. “The Giffords’ objection was to >>>> hosting and participating in the wedding ceremony itself and not to >>>> providing service in general to lesbians.” >>>> >>>> But administrative law judge *Migdalia Pares* of the Bronx rejected >>>> the Giffords’ argument that the farm, which is also their home, is not a >>>> place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the >>>> anti-discrimination provisions of New York’s Human Rights Law. Pares ruled >>>> that although the Giffords reside at Gifford Barn, Liberty Ridge qualifies >>>> as a public accommodation because it regularly collects fees for space, >>>> facilities, services and meals, so it cannot be considered “distinctly >>>> private.” >>>> >>>> The Giffords must pay $13,000 in fines and restitution. Their lawyer >>>> says they are considering whether to appeal or pursue further legal action. >>>> >>>> The now-married lesbians filed a complaint with New York’s Division of >>>> Human Rights, and the administrative law judge said that Liberty Ridge >>>> “unlawfully discriminated against complainants solely on the basis of their >>>> sexual orientation.” >>>> >>>> Earlier this year, several states, including Kansas and Arizona, >>>> considered legislation that would allow people who object to same-sex >>>> marriage to cite their religious beliefs as a defense if faced with a >>>> discrimination lawsuit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed the bill in her >>>> state; the Kansas bill died in the state Senate. >>>> >>>> See also: >>>> >>>> - Christian bridal shop under fire after refusing to help lesbian >>>> couple find dresses >>>> >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/11/christian-bridal-shop-under-fire-after-refusing-to-help-lesbian-couple-find-dresses/> >>>> - Colorado Judge compels baker to sell wedding cake to homosexuals >>>> >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/12/08/colorado-judge-compels-baker-to-sell-wedding-cake-to-homosexuals/> >>>> - Gaystapo strikes again: Chase Bank asks employees to declare >>>> loyalty to LGBT >>>> >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/02/gaystapo-strikes-again-chase-bank-asks-employees-to-declare-loyalty-to-lgbt/> >>>> - Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich Resigns After Backlash Over Support For >>>> Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage Ban >>>> >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/04/04/mozilla-ceo-brendan-eich-resigns-after-backlash-over-support-for-prop-8-same-sex-marriage-ban/> >>>> - World Health Organization: HIV ‘exploding’ among homosexual men >>>> >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/14/world-health-organization-hiv-exploding-among-homosexual-men/> >>>> >>>> *~Eowyn* >>>> >>>> *Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/>* | August >>>> 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Tags: Cynthia Gifford >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=cynthia-gifford>, Jennifer >>>> McCarthy <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=jennifer-mccarthy>, Liberty >>>> Ridge Farm <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=liberty-ridge-farm>, >>>> Melisa >>>> Erwin <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=melisa-erwin>, Migdalia >>>> Pares <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=migdalia-pares>, Robert >>>> Gifford <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=robert-gifford> | >>>> Categories: Christians/Christianity >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=111409284>, Culture War >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=20812>, Gays >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212736045>, >>>> Liberals/Democrats/Left >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=115894710>, Obama's America >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=12285619>, persecution of >>>> Christians <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212735197> | URL: >>>> http://wp.me/pKuKY-rFT >>>> >>>> Comment >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#respond> >>>> See all comments >>>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#comments> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com&b=sC-%7CN0fGB7%2BY%3FYRF%5DjyyouXJRbZFHuFIWzgd3QdgXJXjOSLIcQ> >>>> to no longer receive posts from Fellowship of the Minds. >>>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com>. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>>> http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-ow >>>> ners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/ >>>> >>>> Thanks for flying with WordPress.com <http://wordpress.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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