Re: [New post] Christian farm owners fined $13,000 for declining to host lesbian wedding

Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:19:39 -0700


It is GOVERNMENT that is prohibited (by the Constitution and IDEA underpinning) from discriminating NOT individuals.
Any State or Local Law would ALSO be in conflict/violation of Amendment XIII -- involuntary servitude.

Regard$,
--MJ

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At 08:11 PM 8/27/2014, you wrote:
You are correct Michael, with the exception of the States that have not added "Gender" or "homosexual"  discrimination....I am not sure how the federal code applies to these specific "New Classes"  of folks,  but I would think that State law would govern.   I also think that there could in fact be an argument made about ex post facto laws, even in a civil construction of such.....




On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote:

This is ILLEGAL (though not constitutionally so) thanks to much hailed (unconstitutional) CRA of '64 and its whole cloth invention ... public accommodation.

Furthermore ... it is clearly involuntary servitude (supposedly ended with Amendment XIII).

Regard$,
--MJ

"A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum
At 07:42 PM 8/27/2014, you wrote:
I don't see how refusing to perform or provide services in a very open market could even remotely be construed as "Persecution".....



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, plainolamerican < [email protected]> wrote:
they're free to practice their religion.
they are not free to persecute lgbt or muslims.

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:05:12 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
What about these Christian's right to practice their religion freely without prosecution? Â

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote:
more proof that only religious myth believers persecute gays.
they were also ordered by the court to put up an anti-discrimination sign on their property.


On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:08:57 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote:




Dr. Eowyn posted: "The Gaystapo strikes again. A Christian couple who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined $10,000 for declined a lesbian couple̢۪s request to hold a weddinding ceremony on their property. The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each lesbian"
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Christian farm owners fined $13,000 for declining to host lesbian wedding




by Dr. Eowyn
The Gaystapo strikes again.
A Christian couple who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined $10,000 for declined a lesbian couple̢۪s request to ho hold a wedding ceremony on their property. The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each lesbian.

The Washington Post reports, Aug. 19, 2014, that Cynthia and Robert Gifford, who own Liberty Ridge Farm near Albany, rent their facilities for birthday parties and about a dozen weddings each year.
Cynthia & Robert Gifford
When Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin, a lesbian couple from Newark, N.J., requested to use the facility for their 2012 wedding, Cynthia Gifford offered the farm for a reception, but not for the wedding ceremony. Weddings typically are conducted on the first floor of the Giffords̢۪ home or in an adjacent field.

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Jennifer McCarthy (l), Melisa Erwin (r)
James Trainor, the Giffords' lawyer, said the farm owners attend a community church and cite their religious belief of marriage between a man and woman for declining to hold a same-sex wedding on their property. “Liberty Ridge Farm has employed gay pepeople and has conducted events for same-sex couples,†Trainor said. ⢀œThe Giffords’ objection was to hosting and participatinging in the wedding ceremony itself and not to providing service in general to lesbians.â€
But administrative law judge Migdalia Pares of the Bronx rejected the Giffords’ argument that the farm, which is also so their home, is not a place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the anti-discrimination provisions of New York’s Human Rn Rights Law. Pares ruled that although the Giffords reside at Gifford Barn, Liberty Ridge qualifies as a public accommodation because it regularly collects fees for space, facilities, services and meals, so it cannot be considered “distinctly private.â€
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The Giffords must pay $13,000 in fines and restitution. Their lawyer says they are considering whether to appeal or pursue further legal action.
The now-married lesbians filed a complaint with New York’s Division n of Human Rights, and the administrative law judge said that Liberty Ridge “unlawfully discriminated against complainants solely o on the basis of their sexual orientation.â€
Earlier this year, several states, including Kansas and Arizona, considered legislation that would allow people who object to same-sex marriage to cite their religious beliefs as a defense if faced with a discrimination lawsuit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed the bill in her state; the Kansas bill died in the state Senate.
See also:
Christian bridal shop under fire after refusing to help lesbian couple find dresses
Colorado Judge compels baker to sell wedding cake to homosexuals
Gaystapo strikes again: Chase Bank asks employees to declare loyalty to LGBT
Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich Resigns After Backlash Over Support For Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage Ban
World Health Organization: HIV ‘explodingââ‚€™ among homosexual men
~Eowyn

Dr. Eowyn | August 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Tags: Cynthia Gifford, Jennifer McCarthy, Liberty Ridge Farm, Melisa Erwin, Migdalia Pares, Robert Gifford | Categories: Christians/Christianity, Culture War, Gays, Liberals/Democrats/Left, Obama's America, persecution of Christians | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-rFT

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