That is not necessarily correct. In situations like this, State Law is what governs the Federal rulings, especially in a situation like discrimination or potential civil litigation where a federal code is non-specific.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:33 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > I would think that State law would govern. > --- > nope ... the feds rule and states drool. > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:11:38 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> You are correct Michael, with the exception of the States that have not >> added "Gender" or "homosexual" discrimination....I am not sure how the >> federal code applies to these specific "New Classes" of folks, but I >> would think that State law would govern. I also think that there could in >> fact be an argument made about ex post facto laws, even in a civil >> construction of such..... >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> This is ILLEGAL (though not constitutionally so) thanks to much hailed >>> (unconstitutional) CRA of '64 and its whole cloth invention ... public >>> accommodation. >>> >>> Furthermore ... it is clearly involuntary servitude (supposedly ended >>> with Amendment XIII). >>> >>> Regard$, >>> --MJ >>> >>> "A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which >>> can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because >>> society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A >>> permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, >>> you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such >>> permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A >>> permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 07:42 PM 8/27/2014, you wrote: >>> >>> I don't see how refusing to perform or provide services in a very open >>> market could even remotely be construed as "Persecution"..... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, plainolamerican < [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> they're free to practice their religion. >>> they are not free to persecute lgbt or muslims. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:05:12 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> What about these Christian's right to practice their religion freely >>> without prosecution?  >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>> <http://??>> wrote: >>> more proof that only religious myth believers persecute gays. >>> >>> they were also ordered by the court to put up an anti-discrimination >>> sign on their property. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:08:57 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Eowyn posted: "The Gaystapo strikes again. A Christian couple who >>> own a farm in upstate New York are being fined $10,000 for declined a >>> lesbian couple’s request to hold a wedding ceremony on their property. >>> The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each lesbian" >>> Respond to this post by replying above this line >>> >>> >>> *New post on Fellowship of the Minds* >>> >>> >>> * Christian farm owners fined $13,000 for declining to host lesbian >>> wedding >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/>* >>> >>> by Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> >>> >>> The Gaystapo strikes again. >>> >>> A Christian couple who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined >>> $10,000 for declined a lesbian couple’s request to hold a wedding >>> ceremony on their property. The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to >>> each lesbian. >>> >>> The Washington Pos >>> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/farm-owners-fined-for-saying-no-to-lesbian-wedding/2014/08/19/1cfe5ca2-27dd-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_story.html>t >>> reports, Aug. 19, 2014, that Cynthia and Robert Gifford, who own Liberty >>> Ridge Farm near Albany, rent their facilities for birthday parties and >>> about a dozen weddings each year. >>> >>> Cynthia & Robert Gifford >>> >>> When Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin, a lesbian couple from Newark, >>> N.J., requested to use the facility for their 2012 wedding, Cynthia Gifford >>> offered the farm for a reception, but not for the wedding ceremony. >>> Weddings typically are conducted on the first floor of the Giffords’ home >>> or in an adjacent field. >>> >>> Jennifer McCarthy (l), Melisa Erwin (r) >>> >>> James Trainor, the Giffords' lawyer, said the farm owners attend a >>> community church and cite their religious belief of marriage between a man >>> and woman for declining to hold a same-sex wedding on their property. >>> “Liberty Ridge Farm has employed gay people and has conducted events for >>> same-sex couples,†Trainor said. “The Giffords’ objection was to >>> hosting and participating in the wedding ceremony itself and not to >>> providing service in general to lesbians.†>>> >>> But administrative law judge Migdalia Pares of the Bronx rejected the >>> Giffords’ argument that the farm, which is also their home, is not a >>> place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the >>> anti-discrimination provisions of New York’s Human Rights Law. Pares >>> ruled that although the Giffords reside at Gifford Barn, Liberty Ridge >>> qualifies as a public accommodation because it regularly collects fees for >>> space, facilities, services and meals, so it cannot be considered >>> “distinctly private.†>>> >>> The Giffords must pay $13,000 in fines and restitution. Their lawyer >>> says they are considering whether to appeal or pursue further legal action. >>> >>> The now-married lesbians filed a complaint with New York’s Division of >>> Human Rights, and the administrative law judge said that Liberty Ridge >>> “unlawfully discriminated against complainants solely on the basis of >>> their sexual orientation.†>>> >>> Earlier this year, several states, including Kansas and Arizona, >>> considered legislation that would allow people who object to same-sex >>> marriage to cite their religious beliefs as a defense if faced with a >>> discrimination lawsuit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed the bill in her >>> state; the Kansas bill died in the state Senate. >>> >>> See also: Christian bridal shop under fire after refusing to help >>> lesbian couple find dresses >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/11/christian-bridal-shop-under-fire-after-refusing-to-help-lesbian-couple-find-dresses/> >>> Colorado Judge compels baker to sell wedding cake to homosexuals >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/12/08/colorado-judge-compels-baker-to-sell-wedding-cake-to-homosexuals/> >>> Gaystapo strikes again: Chase Bank asks employees to declare loyalty to >>> LGBT >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/02/gaystapo-strikes-again-chase-bank-asks-employees-to-declare-loyalty-to-lgbt/> >>> Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich Resigns After Backlash Over Support For Prop 8 >>> Same-Sex Marriage Ban >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/04/04/mozilla-ceo-brendan-eich-resigns-after-backlash-over-support-for-prop-8-same-sex-marriage-ban/> >>> World Health Organization: HIV ‘exploding’ among homosexual men >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/14/world-health-organization-hiv-exploding-among-homosexual-men/> >>> ~Eowyn >>> >>> Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> | August 26, >>> 2014 at 1:17 pm | Tags: Cynthia Gifford >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=cynthia-gifford>, Jennifer >>> McCarthy <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=jennifer-mccarthy>, Liberty >>> Ridge Farm <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=liberty-ridge-farm>, Melisa >>> Erwin <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=melisa-erwin>, Migdalia >>> Pares <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=migdalia-pares>, Robert >>> Gifford <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=robert-gifford> | >>> Categories: Christians/Christianity >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=111409284>, Culture War >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=20812>, Gays >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212736045>, >>> Liberals/Democrats/Left <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=115894710>, >>> Obama's America <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=12285619>, persecution >>> of Christians <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212735197> | URL: >>> http://wp.me/pKuKY-rFT >>> >>> Comment >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#respond> >>>    See all comments >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#comments> >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com&b=sC-%7CN0fGB7%2BY%3FYRF%5DjyyouXJRbZFHuFIWzgd3QdgXJXjOSLIcQ> >>> to no longer receive posts from Fellowship of the Minds. >>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com> >>> . >>> >>> Trouble clicking? 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