I would think that State law would govern. --- nope ... the feds rule and states drool.
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:11:38 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > You are correct Michael, with the exception of the States that have not > added "Gender" or "homosexual" discrimination....I am not sure how the > federal code applies to these specific "New Classes" of folks, but I > would think that State law would govern. I also think that there could in > fact be an argument made about ex post facto laws, even in a civil > construction of such..... > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM, MJ <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> >> This is ILLEGAL (though not constitutionally so) thanks to much hailed >> (unconstitutional) CRA of '64 and its whole cloth invention ... public >> accommodation. >> >> Furthermore ... it is clearly involuntary servitude (supposedly ended >> with Amendment XIII). >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> "A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can >> be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society >> permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can >> be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain >> the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is >> granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not >> a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum >> >> >> >> >> At 07:42 PM 8/27/2014, you wrote: >> >> I don't see how refusing to perform or provide services in a very open >> market could even remotely be construed as "Persecution"..... >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, plainolamerican < [email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> they're free to practice their religion. >> they are not free to persecute lgbt or muslims. >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:05:12 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> What about these Christian's right to practice their religion freely >> without prosecution?  >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >> <http://??>> wrote: >> more proof that only religious myth believers persecute gays. >> >> they were also ordered by the court to put up an anti-discrimination sign >> on their property. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:08:57 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Eowyn posted: "The Gaystapo strikes again. A Christian couple who own >> a farm in upstate New York are being fined $10,000 for declined a lesbian >> couple’s request to hold a wedding ceremony on their property. The owners >> are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to each lesbian" >> Respond to this post by replying above this line >> >> >> *New post on Fellowship of the Minds* >> >> >> * Christian farm owners fined $13,000 for declining to host lesbian >> wedding >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/>* >> >> by Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> >> >> The Gaystapo strikes again. >> >> A Christian couple who own a farm in upstate New York are being fined >> $10,000 for declined a lesbian couple’s request to hold a wedding >> ceremony on their property. The owners are also ordered to to pay $1,500 to >> each lesbian. >> >> The Washington Pos >> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/farm-owners-fined-for-saying-no-to-lesbian-wedding/2014/08/19/1cfe5ca2-27dd-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_story.html>t >> >> reports, Aug. 19, 2014, that Cynthia and Robert Gifford, who own Liberty >> Ridge Farm near Albany, rent their facilities for birthday parties and >> about a dozen weddings each year. >> >> Cynthia & Robert Gifford >> >> When Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin, a lesbian couple from Newark, >> N.J., requested to use the facility for their 2012 wedding, Cynthia Gifford >> offered the farm for a reception, but not for the wedding ceremony. >> Weddings typically are conducted on the first floor of the Giffords’ home >> or in an adjacent field. >> >> Jennifer McCarthy (l), Melisa Erwin (r) >> >> James Trainor, the Giffords' lawyer, said the farm owners attend a >> community church and cite their religious belief of marriage between a man >> and woman for declining to hold a same-sex wedding on their property. >> “Liberty Ridge Farm has employed gay people and has conducted events for >> same-sex couples,†Trainor said. “The Giffords’ objection was to >> hosting and participating in the wedding ceremony itself and not to >> providing service in general to lesbians.†>> >> But administrative law judge Migdalia Pares of the Bronx rejected the >> Giffords’ argument that the farm, which is also their home, is not a >> place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the >> anti-discrimination provisions of New York’s Human Rights Law. Pares >> ruled that although the Giffords reside at Gifford Barn, Liberty Ridge >> qualifies as a public accommodation because it regularly collects fees for >> space, facilities, services and meals, so it cannot be considered >> “distinctly private.†>> >> The Giffords must pay $13,000 in fines and restitution. Their lawyer says >> they are considering whether to appeal or pursue further legal action. >> >> The now-married lesbians filed a complaint with New York’s Division of >> Human Rights, and the administrative law judge said that Liberty Ridge >> “unlawfully discriminated against complainants solely on the basis of >> their sexual orientation.†>> >> Earlier this year, several states, including Kansas and Arizona, >> considered legislation that would allow people who object to same-sex >> marriage to cite their religious beliefs as a defense if faced with a >> discrimination lawsuit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed the bill in her >> state; the Kansas bill died in the state Senate. >> >> See also: Christian bridal shop under fire after refusing to help >> lesbian couple find dresses >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/11/christian-bridal-shop-under-fire-after-refusing-to-help-lesbian-couple-find-dresses/> >> >> Colorado Judge compels baker to sell wedding cake to homosexuals >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/12/08/colorado-judge-compels-baker-to-sell-wedding-cake-to-homosexuals/> >> >> Gaystapo strikes again: Chase Bank asks employees to declare loyalty to >> LGBT >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/02/gaystapo-strikes-again-chase-bank-asks-employees-to-declare-loyalty-to-lgbt/> >> >> Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich Resigns After Backlash Over Support For Prop 8 >> Same-Sex Marriage Ban >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/04/04/mozilla-ceo-brendan-eich-resigns-after-backlash-over-support-for-prop-8-same-sex-marriage-ban/> >> >> World Health Organization: HIV ‘exploding’ among homosexual men >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/07/14/world-health-organization-hiv-exploding-among-homosexual-men/> >> >> ~Eowyn >> >> Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> | August 26, >> 2014 at 1:17 pm | Tags: Cynthia Gifford >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=cynthia-gifford>, Jennifer McCarthy >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=jennifer-mccarthy>, Liberty Ridge >> Farm <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=liberty-ridge-farm>, Melisa >> Erwin <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=melisa-erwin>, Migdalia Pares >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=migdalia-pares>, Robert Gifford >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=robert-gifford> | Categories: >> Christians/Christianity <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=111409284>, >> Culture War <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=20812>, Gays >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212736045>, Liberals/Democrats/Left >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=115894710>, Obama's America >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=12285619>, persecution of >> Christians <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212735197> | URL: >> http://wp.me/pKuKY-rFT >> >> Comment >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#respond> >> >>    See all comments >> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/26/christian-farm-owners-fined-13000-for-declining-to-host-lesbian-wedding/#comments> >> >> >> Unsubscribe >> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com&b=sC-%7CN0fGB7%2BY%3FYRF%5DjyyouXJRbZFHuFIWzgd3QdgXJXjOSLIcQ> >> >> to no longer receive posts from Fellowship of the Minds. >> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com> >> . >> >> Trouble clicking? 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