Never been my experience ... I do printing for a Pentacostal Church at my job ... lots of money being thrown around ... maybe where you live it's different, but where I have lived religion is business, regardless of the denomination!!!
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > No Brine, you are talking about a few exceptions and I assume want to see > all Churches punished because of a hand full of televangelists and the hand > full of "Mega-Churches" in this Nation. There just aren't that many! > (Literally, a hand full!) > > Most Churches are as I describe, small congregations which depend solely > on their membership for literal survival, and they have no paid staff! > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My Mom worked for the Temple technically, they are run like a business!!! >> >> You keep sidestepping those multimillion dollar preachers, that is a >> business!!! I imagine they have a staff that gets paid to put on their >> fancy shows!!! >> >> My Sister belongs to a Christian church in Jupiter that is a multimedia >> extravaganza ... they were looking for a graphic artist recently and my >> Sister wanted me to apply and move down there to Florida ... other that the >> actual job part you were required to promote the church and it's teachings >> ... aside from my dislike for heat and Florida, that would be a deal >> breaker ... I keep my work and spirituality separate!!! >> >> Perhaps you belong to a small little charitable church that has nobody >> getting paid but the preacher .. but i think you may be seeing things >> through different colored lenses than I do!!! >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Was your Mom working for the Rabbi, or was she working for the >>> Synagogue? >>> >>> As I started out in this thread saying, the Catholic Church is a bit >>> different than most other Churches and denominations. Most Churches >>> struggle to make ends meet, and are dependent solely for member >>> contributions. >>> >>> Very few Churches have paid staff. It's rare Brine, whether you know >>> some Jewish Rabbi who has a side business or not. Again, the Catholics >>> have a machine, and a lot of wealth, especially as compared to any other >>> Church or denomination, but to categorize "Churches" as businesses, is >>> clearly misplaced. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Let's see. the church I went to as a youth had an office staff and >>>> secretary to the Monsignor. There were also people who cleaned the >>>> buildings and kept the grounds, I would assume they we paid for that!!! My >>>> Mom worked as a secretary for a Rabbi for many years, I do believe she was >>>> a paid employee!!! >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Paid Employees"? I think not....The minister is usually paid, but >>>>> most Churches do not have "paid employees"..... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They collect money and have paid employees, how is that NOT a >>>>>> business??? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is where your thinking is skewed....A Church is not a business! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmmm ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/category/celeb/televangelists/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I still think if I have to pay taxes, everybody and every business >>>>>>>> (yes, religion is a business in my mind) should have to pay taxes!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, your experience with Pastors and Ministers making big bucks >>>>>>>>> is much different than my experiences! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the exception of the Catholic Church, I am not aware of many >>>>>>>>> Churches owning "Prime Real Estate", and if they do, for instance in >>>>>>>>> downtown areas, it is because they have occupied those properties for >>>>>>>>> hundreds of years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the one hand, you clamor for the separation of Church and >>>>>>>>> State, which keeping Churches tax exempt does in fact benefit that >>>>>>>>> separation, because it keeps the government out of Church finances. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moreover, most denominations provide crucial social service to >>>>>>>>> their respective communities, which is invaluable and far outweighs >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> taxes collected upon their properties. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Churches own prime real estate and based on the cars and clothes >>>>>>>>>> I see on many Pastors, there is a lot of profit in the church >>>>>>>>>> business!!! >>>>>>>>>> Why should a religious institution NOT pay taxes??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that you think Churches should be taxed Brine? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With regard to the NFL, it is true that the organization in and >>>>>>>>>>> of itself is not taxed...Believe it or not, the NFL is a >>>>>>>>>>> "non-profit" >>>>>>>>>>> entity....Having said that, all of the 32 teams are in fact taxed, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> generate a huge amount of revenue for their respective cities. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are all sports teams tax exempt or just their so called >>>>>>>>>>>> governing bodies? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2014 10:24:45 A.M. Pacific Standard >>>>>>>>>>>> Time, [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah what happened to separation of Church and State: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.christianpost.com/pastor/help-in-applying-for-church-grants-2196/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.sba.gov/community/discussion-boards/grants-and-funding-churches >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grantsecrets.com/church-grants/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't think religions should be tax exempt!!! The >>>>>>>>>>>> NFL as well!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Hot4azintop via >>>>>>>>>>>> PoliticalForum <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened to the concept of "separation of church and >>>>>>>>>>>>> state" that libs all hot for......or is Islam not a religion? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is and you all know that I believe it is a massive terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>>> cult that >>>>>>>>>>>>> some times is quiet and other times brutal......but back to my >>>>>>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>>>> point...."seperation" is only for Christian churches and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> State but >>>>>>>>>>>>> other religions are exempt from that rule of law........other >>>>>>>>>>>>> wise how >>>>>>>>>>>>> could tax payer funds be given to the Moslems for Mosque >>>>>>>>>>>>> security.......seems like a violation of church and >>>>>>>>>>>>> state.......which is so >>>>>>>>>>>>> precious to the libs...... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-to: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 11/16/2014 5:53:25 A.M. 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