More far left extremist hate filled Anti-Jew/Anti-American lies. Here's the study:
http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-Data-Report-2012-final.pdf It's 22 a year; and that was for the year 2011. (*See* Pages 16-19) That within ten states measured, 22 veterans of all ages, (As old as 93; a WW II Veteran) were included in that "22 A Day" figure, and note that this is from Ten States reporting In 2012, there were a total of 168 suicides, which was far less than most any other group within our Nation. Again? What is the purpose of these lies? What agenda are you feeding by repeating these lies Oh yea....The, "Anti-American/Anti-Jew/Secularist" Agenda..... On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:17 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day > > By Moni Basu, CNN > > Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 > minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher. > > The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs > <http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427> in February, is > based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from 1999 > through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. The > other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the > fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available. > > Who wasn't counted? > > People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage in > Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Casper, by > an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and when > she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine. > > When Derby returned home, he locked himself in a motel room for days. > Casper saw a vacant stare in her son's eyes. A while later, Derby was > called up for a tour of Iraq. He didn't want to kill again. He went AWOL > and finally agreed to an "other than honorable" discharge. > > Derby was not in the VA system, and Illinois did not send in data on > veteran suicides to the VA. > > Experts have no doubt that people are being missed in the national > counting of veteran suicides. Luana Ritch, the veterans and military > families coordinator in Nevada, helped publish an extensive report on that > state's veteran suicides. > > Veteran confronts rape and suicide > <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/military-suicide-rape/index.html> > > Part of the problem, she says, is that there is no uniform reporting > system for deaths in America. It's usually up to a funeral director or a > coroner to enter veteran status and suicide on a death certificate. Veteran > status is a single question on the death report, and there is no > verification of it from the Defense Department or the VA. > > "Birth and death certificates are only as good as the information that is > entered," Ritch says. "There is underreporting. How much, I don't know." > > Who else might not be counted? > > A homeless person who has no one who can vouch that he or she is a > veteran, or others whose families don't want to divulge a suicide because > of the stigma associated with mental illness; they may pressure a state > coroner to not list the death as suicide > > If a veteran intentionally crashes a car or dies of a drug overdose and > leaves no note, that death may not be counted as suicide. > > An investigation by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper > <http://www.statesman.com/s/special-report/uncounted-casualties/>last > year revealed an alarmingly high percentage of veterans who died in this > manner in Texas, a state that did not send in data for the VA report. > > "It's very hard to capture that information," says Barbara van Dahlen, a > psychologist who founded Give an Hour, <http://www.giveanhour.org/> a > nonprofit group that pairs volunteer mental-health professionals with > combat veterans. > > Nikkolas Lookabill had been home about four months from Iraq when he was > shot to death by police in Vancouver, Washington, in September 2010. The > prosecutor's office said Lookabill told officers "he wanted them to shoot > him." The case is one of many considered "suicide by cop" and not counted > in suicide data. > > Carri Leigh Goodwin enlisted in the Marine Corps in 2007. She said she was > raped by a fellow Marine at Camp Pendleton and eventually was forced out of > the Corps with a personality disorder diagnosis. She did not tell her > family that she was raped or that she had thought about suicide. She also > did not tell them she was taking Zoloft, a drug prescribed for anxiety. > > Her father, Gary Noling, noticed that Goodwin was drinking heavily when > she returned home. Five days later, she went drinking with her sister, who > left her intoxicated in a parked car. The Zoloft interacted with the > alcohol, and she died in the back seat of the car. Her blood alcohol > content was six times the legal limit. > > Police charged her sister and a friend in Goodwin's death for furnishing > alcohol to an underaged woman: Goodwin was 20. Noling says his daughter > intended to drink herself to death. Later, Noling went through Goodwin's > journals and learned about her rape and suicidal thoughts. > > A recent analysis by News21 <http://backhome.news21.com/article/suicide/>, > an investigative multimedia program for journalism students, found that the > annual suicide rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 of the > population, compared with the civilian rate of 14 per 100,000. The analysis > of records from 48 states found that the suicide rate for veterans > increased an average of 2.6% a year from 2005 to 2011 -- more than double > the rate of increase for civilian suicide. > > Nearly one in five suicides nationally is a veteran, even though veterans > make up about 10% of the U.S. population, the News21 analysis found. > > The authors of the VA study, Janet Kemp and Robert Bossarte, included many > cautions about the interpretation of their data, though they stand by the > reliability of their findings. Bossarte said there was a consistency in the > samples that allowed them to comfortably project the national figure of 22. > > But more than 34,000 suicides from the 21 states that reported data to the > VA were discarded because the state death records failed to indicate > whether the deceased was a veteran. That's 23% of the recorded suicides > from those states. So the study looked at 77% of the recorded suicides in > 40% of the U.S. population. > > The VA report itself acknowledged "significant limitations" of the > available data and identified flaws in its report. "The ability of death > certificates to fully capture female veterans was particularly low; only > 67% of true female veterans were identified. Younger or unmarried veterans > and those with lower levels of education were also more likely to be missed > on the death certificate." > > "We think that all suicides are underreported. There is uncertainty in the > check box," says Steve Elkins, the state registrar in Minnesota, which has > one of the best suicide data recording systems in the country. > > Websites become tool for stopping suicide > <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/facebook-suicide/index.html> > > VA Secretary Eric Shinseki requested collaboration from all 50 states to > improve timeliness and accuracy of suicide reporting, key to improving > suicide prevention. At the time the VA released its last suicide report, at > least 11 states had not made a decision on data collaboration. > > Combat stress is just one reason why veterans attempt suicide. Military > sexual assaults are another. Psychologist Craig Bryan says his research is > finding that military victims of violent assault or rape are six times more > likely to attempt suicide than military non-victims. > > More than 69% of all veteran suicides were among those 50 and older. > Mental-health professionals said one reason could be that these men give up > on life after their children are out of the house or a longtime marriage > falls apart. They are also likely to be Vietnam veterans, who returned from > war to a hostile public and an unresponsive VA. Combat stress was chalked > up to being crazy, and many Vietnam veterans lived with ghosts in their > heads without seeking help. > > Even though more older veterans are committing suicide, it's difficult to > predict what the toll of America's newest wars will be. A survey by the > Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America > <http://iava.org/press-room/press-releases/new-veterans-survey-30-percent-have-considered-taking-their-own-life>showed > that 30% of service members have considered taking their own life, and 45% > said they know an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran who has attempted suicide. > > "There's probably a tidal wave of suicides coming," says Brian Kinsella, > an Iraq war veteran who started Stop Soldier Suicide > <http://www.stopsoldiersuicide.org/>, a nonprofit group that works to > raise awareness of suicide. Between October 2006 and June 2013, the > Veterans Crisis Line received more than 890,000 calls. That number does not > include chats and texts. > > President Barack Obama says there is a need to "end this epidemic of > suicide among our veterans and troops." In August 2012, he signed an > executive order calling for stronger suicide prevention efforts. A year > later, he announced $107 million in new funding for better mental health > treatment for veterans with post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain > injury, signature injuries of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. > > On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> One word, three syllables: "Asinine": >> >> But There Isn't An Epidemic Of Suicide In The US Military >> Comment Now >> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/#comment_reply> >> >> Follow Comments >> >> >> *http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/* >> >> I was very surprised to see this headline in The Guardian today >> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/01/us-military-suicide-epidemic-veteran> >> : >> >> US military struggling to stop suicide epidemic among war veterans >> >> It’s not all that unusual for The Guardian to snipe at the US military of >> course, but something about the way the subject was being treated puzzled >> me. >> >> Last year, more active-duty soldiers killed themselves than died in >> combat. >> >> Is this a story about how much better military medicine has got or one >> about how the system is driving huge numbers into suicide? The way the >> paper tells the story it’s that there is indeed some epidemic of suicide >> sweeping through the ranks of the military and veterans. And my problem is >> that having looked at the numbers I just don’t see it. >> >> I should of course point out that any and every suicide is a tragedy. >> Both for the person dying and for those they leave behind. And I would go >> on and insist that just one suicide is one too many. However, it’s also >> necessary to note that suicide does indeed happen in all walks of life. >> What we need to know is whether there are more than the normal number in >> one specific profession or occupation. Only then can we start to argue that >> there’s something specific to that occupation that leads to suicide. >> >> For example, with the military: it’s easy enough to postulate that a rise >> in Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will lead to a rise in suicides. >> Indeed, we’d probably expect such a thing to happen. Thus, as more see >> combat, more suffer from that stress, we’d see the rate rise. >> >> But before we conclude that this is happening we do in fact need to check >> and see whether the rate is odd. Is out of order for the society which >> people come from. And that’s where this story of an epidemic of military >> suicides rather falls down. The actual suicide rate in the US military >> seems to be around and about that for the US as a whole. Soldiers and >> ex-soldiers don’t kill themselves in any greater numbers than the average >> American does. >> >> Here’s the numbers being quoted: >> >> In 2012, for the first time in at least a generation, the number of >> active-duty soldiers who killed themselves, 177, exceeded the 176 who were >> killed while in the war zone. To put that another way, more of America’s >> serving soldiers died at their own hands than in pursuit of the enemy. >> >> OK: obviously that’s both 177 and 176 too many. But is that 177 something >> unexpected, out of the ordinary? >> >> The US active service military is some 1.5 million strong >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_military>. The general suicide rate >> among all Americans is 12 per 100,000 per year. So, 15 x 12 would give us >> the expected number of suicides among active duty military: 180 per year. >> But that’s not quite right for a number of reasons: the most obvious being >> that they’re talking about “soldiers” not military. There’s some 600,000 (A >> note about numbers here. Getting the first digit and the number of digits >> correct is enough. Measuring the number of solders to the 6 th digit would >> just give a spurious sense of accuracy.) apparently, meaning that our >> expected number would be 6 x 12, or 72. >> >> Ah, but wait, by far the majority of those active service members will be >> male (women only just this past week being cleared for combat operations >> for example) so perhaps we should use the male suicide rate, not the >> population one? At around 25 >> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends03.html> that >> gives us 6 x 25: 150. It’s not immediately apparent that the suicide rate >> in active service troops is higher than that of the general population. >> Especially when we add one more point >> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_DataSheet-a.pdf>: >> >> There is one suicide for every 25 attempted suicides >> >> I don’t think it’s all that much of a stretch to suggest that active duty >> troops, those who by definition have access to live ammunition and a gun, >> have a slightly different ratio of attempts to actual suicide. >> >> We can go on with the numbers: >> >> Across all branches of the US military and the reserves, a similar >> disturbing trend was recorded. In all, 349 service members took their own >> lives in 2012, while a lesser number, 295, died in combat. >> >> All military is more like 2.3 million people. 23 x 25 gives us 575 as our >> expected number assuming the military is all male. So the suicide rate >> seems to be lower than that of the male population (although higher than >> that expected from the rate for the general population, which would be 276). >> >> one of an astonishing 6,500 former military personnel who killed >> themselves in 2012, roughly equivalent to one every 80 minutes. >> >> And yes, that is a high and shocking number. But apparently there are 21 >> *million* veterans <http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteranscensus1.html> in >> the US. 95% of them male so using again the male suicide rate we’d expect >> 5,250. >> >> It’s just very difficult indeed to see that there is an epidemic of >> suicides in the military: either serving personnel or veterans. Within the >> limits of the statistics being used the rates seem to be a little below or >> a little above those for American men generally. I just don’t see where the >> “epidemic” comes from. >> >> Some of the earlier stories on this (these stories come in waves as the >> Pentagon releases suicide statistics twice a year. Once estimates and >> unconfirmed cases, once a full tally) do note this point about the suicide >> rate >> <http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16540098-like-an-airborne-disease-concern-grows-about-military-suicides-spreading-within-families?lite> >> : >> >> On Jan. 14, Department of Defense officials acknowledged that during >> 2012, service members committed suicide at a record pace as more than 349 >> people took their own lives across the four branches. The military suicide >> rate is slightly lower than that of the general public. >> >> Then again, we seem to have The Pentagon itself not quite understanding the >> numbers >> <http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/military-faces-suicide-epidemic-panetta-tells-u-s-lawmakers.html> >> : >> >> The U.S. military is experiencing a suicide “epidemic,” with as many as >> 206 service members having taken their own lives this year, Defense >> Secretary Leon Panetta told lawmakers today. >> >> (The numbers are different as it refers to a different year). >> >> There’s no grand conclusion here I’m afraid. Are there too many suicides? >> Most certainly, both in and out of the military for each and every one is a >> tragedy. Is the number of military suicides growing? It would appear so, >> but then so is the number of veterans so that isn’t entirely a surprise. >> But if the actual rate of suicide among current and past military members >> is the same (or possibly even a little lower) than that in the general >> population then it’s very difficult indeed to conclude that we’ve an >> “epidemic” going on. >> >> There is a small conclusion though. Before deciding that there’s a >> problem in a specific sector of society we do in fact have to go study the >> numbers to check that there is indeed a problem in a specific section of >> society. Given that the military suicide rate is similar to that of the >> country as a whole we’d have to conclude that the military suicide rate >> isn’t simply a military problem. If anything, it’s a societal one. But even >> that’s difficult to support given that the US suicide rate is very definitely >> mid-table >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> as >> compared to other nations. >> >> I’m afraid that I’m just not getting the attention being given to this >> story. >> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:57 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> <sigh> >>> <type> www.google.com >>> <type> "what is the suicide rate for veterans" >>> <click> >>> Detailed study confirms high suicide rate among recent veterans >>> By ALAN ZAREMBO <http://www.latimes.com/la-bio-alan-zarembo-staff.html> >>> January 14, 2015 >>> http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veteran-suicide-20150115-story.html >>> <peruse> >>> >>> "One statistic has become a rallying cry: 22 veterans take their own >>> lives each day. >>> "That figure is a national estimate based on a Department of Veterans >>> Affairs analysis of death records from 21 states. Though it is usually >>> cited in the context of the recent wars, most of those suicides involved >>> older veterans, who account for the vast majority of the nation's 22 >>> million former service members." >>> >>> (435 + 100) Members of Congress / 22 Suicides per day = 24.3 days >>> >>> What is a "left extremist"? >>> How is the meme "spin"? >>> Does pretending "truth" and "substance" does not exist do *anything* >>> other than help in the maintenance of that pleasing vision of yours? >>> >>> Regard$, >>> --MJ >>> >>> "They changed the name from Armistice Day to Veterans Day because they >>> want people to forget that US soldiers died for nothing in WWI." -- Jacob >>> Hornberger >>> >>> >>> >>> At 10:27 AM 3/1/2015, you wrote: >>> >>> ​More far left extremist spin, with no substance or truth to support >>> such a ridiculous foundation. >>> ​ >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hope they go for it. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:57 AM, plainolamerican < [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> [image: []] >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>  >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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