you haven't a clue what Zionism even means --- you're the one who doesn't understand zionism and what it promotes. here's a clue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism http://www.jewsonfirst.org/07b/moody_georgewashington.html
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 8:11:53 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Not only are you an goofy, you're an idiot. Obviously you haven't a clue > what Zionism even means, but your Nazi Anti-Jewish side shows clearly. > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > you are a fucking zionist who will sacrifice American interest for israel. > it's not surprising that you live in Florida with your zionist brothers > and sisters. > go home to israel, zioboy. > > On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:58:22 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > More far left extremist hate filled Anti-Jew/Anti-American lies. > > Here's the study: > > http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-Data-Report-2012-final.pdf > > > It's 22 a year; and that was for the year 2011. (*See* Pages 16-19) > > That within ten states measured, 22 veterans of all ages, (As old as 93; a > WW II Veteran) were included in that "22 A Day" figure, and note that this > is from Ten States reporting > > In 2012, there were a total of 168 suicides, which was far less than most > any other group within our Nation. > > Again? What is the purpose of these lies? What agenda are you feeding by > repeating these lies > > Oh yea....The, "Anti-American/Anti-Jew/Secularist" Agenda..... > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:17 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day > > By Moni Basu, CNN > > Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 > minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher. > > The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs > <http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427> in February, is > based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from 1999 > through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. The > other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the > fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available. > > Who wasn't counted? > > People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage in > Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Casper, by > an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and when > she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine. > > When Derby returned home, he locked himself in a motel room for days. > Casper saw a vacant stare in her son's eyes. A while later, Derby was > called up for a tour of Iraq. He didn't want to kill again. He went AWOL > and finally agreed to an "other than honorable" discharge. > > Derby was not in the VA system, and Illinois did not send in data on > veteran suicides to the VA. > > Experts have no doubt that people are being missed in the national > counting of veteran suicides. Luana Ritch, the veterans and military > families coordinator in Nevada, helped publish an extensive report on that > state's veteran suicides. > > Veteran confronts rape and suicide > <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/military-suicide-rape/index.html> > > Part of the problem, she says, is that there is no uniform reporting > system for deaths in America. It's usually up to a funeral director or a > coroner to enter veteran status and suicide on a death certificate. Veteran > status is a single question on the death report, and there is no > verification of it from the Defense Department or the VA. > > "Birth and death certificates are only as good as the information that is > entered," Ritch says. "There is underreporting. How much, I don't know." > > Who else might not be counted? > > A homeless person who has no one who can vouch that he or she is a > veteran, or others whose families don't want to divulge a suicide because > of the stigma associated with mental illness; they may pressure a state > coroner to not list the death as suicide > > If a veteran intentionally crashes a car or dies of a drug overdose and > leaves no note, that death may not be counted as suicide. > > An investigation by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper > <http://www.statesman.com/s/special-report/uncounted-casualties/>last > year revealed an alarmingly high percentage of veterans who died in this > manner in Texas, a state that did not send in data for the VA report. > > "It's very hard to capture that information," says Barbara van Dahlen, a > psychologist who founded Give an Hour, <http://www.giveanhour.org/> a > nonprofit group that pairs volunteer mental-health professionals with > combat veterans. > > Nikkolas Lookabill had been home about four months from Iraq when he was > shot to death by police in Vancouver, Washington, in September 2010. The > prosecutor's office said Lookabill told officers "he wanted them to shoot > him." The case is one of many considered "suicide by cop" and not counted > in suicide data. > > Carri Leigh Goodwin enlisted in the Marine Corps in 2007. She said she was > raped by a fellow Marine at Camp Pendleton and eventually was forced out of > the Corps with a personality disorder diagnosis. She did not tell her > family that she was raped or that she had thought about suicide. She also > did not tell them she was taking Zoloft, a drug prescribed for anxiety. > > Her father, Gary Noling, noticed that Goodwin was drinking heavily when > she returned home. Five days later, she went drinking with her sister, who > left her intoxicated in a parked car. The Zoloft interacted with the > alcohol, and she died in the back seat of the car. Her blood alcohol > content was six times the legal limit. > > Police charged her sister and a friend in Goodwin's death for furnishing > alcohol to an underaged woman: Goodwin was 20. Noling says his daughter > intended to drink herself to death. Later, Noling went through Goodwin's > journals and learned about her rape and suicidal thoughts. > > A recent analysis by News21 <http://backhome.news21.com/article/suicide/>, > an investigative multimedia program for journalism students, found that the > annual suicide rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 of the > population, compared with the civilian rate of 14 per 100,000. The analysis > of records from 48 states found that the suicide rate for veterans > increased an average of 2.6% a year from 2005 to 2011 -- more than double > the rate of increase for civilian suicide. > > Nearly one in five suicides nationally is a veteran, even though veterans > make up about 10% of the U.S. population, the News21 analysis found. > > The authors of the VA study, Janet Kemp and Robert Bossarte, included many > cautions about the interpretation of their data, though they stand by the > reliability of their findings. Bossarte said there was a consistency in the > samples that allowed them to comfortably project the national figure of 22. > > But more than 34,000 suicides from the 21 states that reported data to the > VA were discarded because the state death records failed to indicate > whether the deceased was a veteran. That's 23% of the recorded suicides > from those states. So the study looked at 77% of the recorded suicides in > 40% of the U.S. population. > > The VA report itself acknowledged "significant limitations" of the > available data and identified flaws in its report. "The ability of death > certificates to fully capture female veterans was particularly low; only > 67% of true female veterans were identified. Younger or unmarried veterans > and those with lower levels of education were also more likely to be missed > on the death certificate." > > "We think that all suicides are underreported. There is uncertainty in the > check box," says Steve Elkins, the state registrar in Minnesota, which has > one of the best suicide data recording systems in the country. > > Websites become tool for stopping suicide > <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/facebook-suicide/index.html> > > VA Secretary Eric Shinseki requested collaboration from all 50 states to > improve timeliness and accuracy of suicide reporting, key to improving > suicide prevention. At the time the VA released its last suicide report, at > least 11 states had not made a decision on data collaboration. > > Combat stress is just one reason why veterans attempt suicide. Military > sexual assaults are another. Psychologist Craig Bryan says his research is > finding that military victims of violent assault or rape are six times more > likely to attempt suicide than military non-victims. > > More than 69% of all veteran suicides were among those 50 and older. > Mental-health professionals said one reason could be that these men give up > on life after their children are out of the house or a longtime marriage > falls apart. They are also likely to be Vietnam veterans, who returned from > war to a hostile public and an unresponsive VA. Combat stress was chalked > up to being crazy, and many Vietnam veterans lived with ghosts in their > heads without seeking help. > > Even though more older veterans are committing suicide, it's difficult to > predict what the toll of America's newest wars will be. A survey by the > Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America > <http://iava.org/press-room/press-releases/new-veterans-survey-30-percent-have-considered-taking-their-own-life>showed > > that 30% of service members have considered taking their own life, and 45% > said they know an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran who has attempted suicide. > > "There's probably a tidal wave of suicides coming," says Brian Kinsella, > an Iraq war veteran who started Stop Soldier Suicide > <http://www.stopsoldiersuicide.org/>, a nonprofit group that works to > raise awareness of suicide. Between October 2006 and June 2013, the > Veterans Crisis Line received more than 890,000 calls. That number does not > include chats and texts. > > President Barack Obama says there is a need to "end this epidemic of > suicide among our veterans and troops." In August 2012, he signed an > executive order calling for stronger suicide prevention efforts. A year > later, he announced $107 million in new funding for better mental health > treatment for veterans with post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain > injury, signature injuries of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. > > On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > One word, three syllables: "Asinine": > > But There Isn't An Epidemic Of Suicide In The US Military > Comment Now > <http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/#comment_reply> > > Follow Comments > > > *http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/* > > I was very surprised to see this headline in The Guardian today > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/01/us-military-suicide-epidemic-veteran> > : > > US military struggling to stop suicide epidemic among war veterans > > It’s not all that unusual for The Guardian to snipe at the US military of > course, but something about the way the subject was being treated puzzled > me. > > Last year, more active-duty soldiers killed themselves than died in combat. > > Is this a story about how much better military medicine has got or one > about how the system is driving huge numbers into suicide? The way the > paper tells the story it’s that there is indeed some epidemic of suicide > sweeping through the ranks of the military and veterans. And my problem is > that having looked at the numbers I just don’t see it. > > I should of course point out that any and every suicide is a tragedy. Both > for the person dying and for those they leave behind. And I would go on and > insist that just one suicide is one too many. However, it’s also necessary > to note that suicide does indeed happen in all walks of life. What we need > to know is whether there are more than the normal number in one specific > profession or occupation. Only then can we start to argue that there’s > something specific to that occupation that leads to suicide. > > For example, with the military: it’s easy enough to postulate that a rise > in Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will lead to a rise in suicides. > Indeed, we’d probably expect such a thing to happen. Thus, as more see > combat, more suffer from that stress, we’d see the rate rise. > > But before we conclude that this is happening we do in fact need to check > and see whether the rate is odd. Is out of order for the society which > people come from. And that’s where this story of an epidemic of military > suicides rather falls down. The actual suicide rate in the US military > seems to be around and about that for the US as a whole. Soldiers and > ex-soldiers don’t kill themselves in any greater numbers than the average > American does. > > Here’s the numbers being quoted: > > In 2012, for the first time in at least a generation, the number of > active-duty soldiers who killed themselves, 177, exceeded the 176 who were > killed while in the war zone. To put that another way, more of America’s > serving soldiers died at their own hands than in pursuit of the enemy. > > OK: obviously that’s both 177 and 176 too many. But is that 177 something > unexpected, out of the ordinary? > > The US active service military is some 1.5 million strong > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_military>. The general suicide rate > among all Americans is 12 per 100,000 per year. So, 15 x 12 would give us > the expected number of suicides among active duty military: 180 per year. > But that’s not quite right for a number of reasons: the most obvious being > that they’re talking about “soldiers” not military. There’s some 600,000 (A > note about numbers here. Getting the first digit and the number of digits > correct is enough. Measuring the number of solders to the 6 th digit would > just give a spurious sense of accuracy.) apparently, meaning that our > expected number would be 6 x 12, or 72. > > Ah, but wait, by far the majority of those active service members will be > male (women only just this past week being cleared for combat operations > for example) so perhaps we should use the male suicide rate, not the > population one? At around 25 > <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends03.html> that > gives us 6 x 25: 150. It’s not immediately apparent that the suicide rate > in active service troops is higher than that of the general population. > Especially when we add one more point > <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_DataSheet-a.pdf>: > > There is one suicide for every 25 attempted suicides > > I don’t think it’s all that much of a stretch to suggest that active duty > troops, those who by definition have access to live ammunition and a gun, > have a slightly different ratio of attempts to actual suicide. > > We can go on with the numbers: > > Across all branches of the US military and the reserves, a similar > disturbing trend was recorded. In all, 349 service members took their own > lives in 2012, while a lesser number, 295, died in combat. > > All military is more like 2.3 million people. 23 x 25 gives us 575 as our > expected number assuming the military is all male. So the suicide rate > seems to be lower than that of the male population (although higher than > that expected from the rate for the general population, which would be 276). > > one of an astonishing 6,500 former military personnel who killed > themselves in 2012, roughly equivalent to one every 80 minutes. > > And yes, that is a high and shocking number. But apparently there are 21 > *million* veterans <http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteranscensus1.html> in > the US. 95% of them male so using again the male suicide rate we’d expect > 5,250. > > It’s just very difficult indeed to see that there is an epidemic of > suicides in the military: either serving personnel or veterans. Within the > limits of the statistics being used the rates seem to be a little below or > a little above those for American men generally. I just don’t see where the > “epidemic” comes from. > > Some of the earlier stories on this (these stories come in waves as the > Pentagon releases suicide statistics tw > > ... -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
