We've been here, and covered this; as a matter of fact on the very same day that Wikipedia changed their page regarding Zionism. I reject "Christian Zionism" as most everyone other than far left extremists and religious zealots do.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:27 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > you haven't a clue what Zionism even means > --- > you're the one who doesn't understand zionism and what it promotes. > here's a clue: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism > http://www.jewsonfirst.org/07b/moody_georgewashington.html > > > On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 8:11:53 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Not only are you an goofy, you're an idiot. Obviously you haven't a clue >> what Zionism even means, but your Nazi Anti-Jewish side shows clearly. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> you are a fucking zionist who will sacrifice American interest for israel. >> it's not surprising that you live in Florida with your zionist brothers >> and sisters. >> go home to israel, zioboy. >> >> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:58:22 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> More far left extremist hate filled Anti-Jew/Anti-American lies. >> >> Here's the study: >> >> http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-Data-Report-2012-final.pdf >> >> >> It's 22 a year; and that was for the year 2011. (*See* Pages 16-19) >> >> That within ten states measured, 22 veterans of all ages, (As old as 93; >> a WW II Veteran) were included in that "22 A Day" figure, and note that >> this is from Ten States reporting >> >> In 2012, there were a total of 168 suicides, which was far less than most >> any other group within our Nation. >> >> Again? What is the purpose of these lies? What agenda are you feeding >> by repeating these lies >> >> Oh yea....The, "Anti-American/Anti-Jew/Secularist" Agenda..... >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:17 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day >> >> By Moni Basu, CNN >> >> Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 >> minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher. >> >> The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs >> <http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427> in February, >> is based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from >> 1999 through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. >> The other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the >> fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available. >> >> Who wasn't counted? >> >> People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage in >> Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Casper, by >> an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and when >> she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine. >> >> When Derby returned home, he locked himself in a motel room for days. >> Casper saw a vacant stare in her son's eyes. A while later, Derby was >> called up for a tour of Iraq. He didn't want to kill again. He went AWOL >> and finally agreed to an "other than honorable" discharge. >> >> Derby was not in the VA system, and Illinois did not send in data on >> veteran suicides to the VA. >> >> Experts have no doubt that people are being missed in the national >> counting of veteran suicides. Luana Ritch, the veterans and military >> families coordinator in Nevada, helped publish an extensive report on that >> state's veteran suicides. >> >> Veteran confronts rape and suicide >> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/military-suicide-rape/index.html> >> >> Part of the problem, she says, is that there is no uniform reporting >> system for deaths in America. It's usually up to a funeral director or a >> coroner to enter veteran status and suicide on a death certificate. Veteran >> status is a single question on the death report, and there is no >> verification of it from the Defense Department or the VA. >> >> "Birth and death certificates are only as good as the information that is >> entered," Ritch says. "There is underreporting. How much, I don't know." >> >> Who else might not be counted? >> >> A homeless person who has no one who can vouch that he or she is a >> veteran, or others whose families don't want to divulge a suicide because >> of the stigma associated with mental illness; they may pressure a state >> coroner to not list the death as suicide >> >> If a veteran intentionally crashes a car or dies of a drug overdose and >> leaves no note, that death may not be counted as suicide. >> >> An investigation by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper >> <http://www.statesman.com/s/special-report/uncounted-casualties/>last >> year revealed an alarmingly high percentage of veterans who died in this >> manner in Texas, a state that did not send in data for the VA report. >> >> "It's very hard to capture that information," says Barbara van Dahlen, a >> psychologist who founded Give an Hour, <http://www.giveanhour.org/> a >> nonprofit group that pairs volunteer mental-health professionals with >> combat veterans. >> >> Nikkolas Lookabill had been home about four months from Iraq when he was >> shot to death by police in Vancouver, Washington, in September 2010. The >> prosecutor's office said Lookabill told officers "he wanted them to shoot >> him." The case is one of many considered "suicide by cop" and not counted >> in suicide data. >> >> Carri Leigh Goodwin enlisted in the Marine Corps in 2007. She said she >> was raped by a fellow Marine at Camp Pendleton and eventually was forced >> out of the Corps with a personality disorder diagnosis. She did not tell >> her family that she was raped or that she had thought about suicide. She >> also did not tell them she was taking Zoloft, a drug prescribed for anxiety. >> >> Her father, Gary Noling, noticed that Goodwin was drinking heavily when >> she returned home. Five days later, she went drinking with her sister, who >> left her intoxicated in a parked car. The Zoloft interacted with the >> alcohol, and she died in the back seat of the car. Her blood alcohol >> content was six times the legal limit. >> >> Police charged her sister and a friend in Goodwin's death for furnishing >> alcohol to an underaged woman: Goodwin was 20. Noling says his daughter >> intended to drink herself to death. Later, Noling went through Goodwin's >> journals and learned about her rape and suicidal thoughts. >> >> A recent analysis by News21 <http://backhome.news21.com/article/suicide/>, >> an investigative multimedia program for journalism students, found that the >> annual suicide rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 of the >> population, compared with the civilian rate of 14 per 100,000. The analysis >> of records from 48 states found that the suicide rate for veterans >> increased an average of 2.6% a year from 2005 to 2011 -- more than double >> the rate of increase for civilian suicide. >> >> Nearly one in five suicides nationally is a veteran, even though veterans >> make up about 10% of the U.S. population, the News21 analysis found. >> >> The authors of the VA study, Janet Kemp and Robert Bossarte, included >> many cautions about the interpretation of their data, though they stand by >> the reliability of their findings. Bossarte said there was a consistency in >> the samples that allowed them to comfortably project the national figure of >> 22. >> >> But more than 34,000 suicides from the 21 states that reported data to >> the VA were discarded because the state death records failed to indicate >> whether the deceased was a veteran. That's 23% of the recorded suicides >> from those states. So the study looked at 77% of the recorded suicides in >> 40% of the U.S. population. >> >> The VA report itself acknowledged "significant limitations" of the >> available data and identified flaws in its report. "The ability of death >> certificates to fully capture female veterans was particularly low; only >> 67% of true female veterans were identified. Younger or unmarried veterans >> and those with lower levels of education were also more likely to be missed >> on the death certificate." >> >> "We think that all suicides are underreported. There is uncertainty in >> the check box," says Steve Elkins, the state registrar in Minnesota, which >> has one of the best suicide data recording systems in the country. >> >> Websites become tool for stopping suicide >> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/facebook-suicide/index.html> >> >> VA Secretary Eric Shinseki requested collaboration from all 50 states to >> improve timeliness and accuracy of suicide reporting, key to improving >> suicide prevention. At the time the VA released its last suicide report, at >> least 11 states had not made a decision on data collaboration. >> >> Combat stress is just one reason why veterans attempt suicide. Military >> sexual assaults are another. Psychologist Craig Bryan says his research is >> finding that military victims of violent assault or rape are six times more >> likely to attempt suicide than military non-victims. >> >> More than 69% of all veteran suicides were among those 50 and older. >> Mental-health professionals said one reason could be that these men give up >> on life after their children are out of the house or a longtime marriage >> falls apart. They are also likely to be Vietnam veterans, who returned from >> war to a hostile public and an unresponsive VA. Combat stress was chalked >> up to being crazy, and many Vietnam veterans lived with ghosts in their >> heads without seeking help. >> >> Even though more older veterans are committing suicide, it's difficult to >> predict what the toll of America's newest wars will be. A survey by the >> Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America >> <http://iava.org/press-room/press-releases/new-veterans-survey-30-percent-have-considered-taking-their-own-life>showed >> that 30% of service members have considered taking their own life, and 45% >> said they know an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran who has attempted suicide. >> >> "There's probably a tidal wave of suicides coming," says Brian Kinsella, >> an Iraq war veteran who started Stop Soldier Suicide >> <http://www.stopsoldiersuicide.org/>, a nonprofit group that works to >> raise awareness of suicide. Between October 2006 and June 2013, the >> Veterans Crisis Line received more than 890,000 calls. That number does not >> include chats and texts. >> >> President Barack Obama says there is a need to "end this epidemic of >> suicide among our veterans and troops." In August 2012, he signed an >> executive order calling for stronger suicide prevention efforts. A year >> later, he announced $107 million in new funding for better mental health >> treatment for veterans with post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain >> injury, signature injuries of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. >> >> On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> One word, three syllables: "Asinine": >> >> But There Isn't An Epidemic Of Suicide In The US Military >> Comment Now >> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/#comment_reply> >> >> Follow Comments >> >> >> *http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/* >> >> I was very surprised to see this headline in The Guardian today >> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/01/us-military-suicide-epidemic-veteran> >> : >> >> US military struggling to stop suicide epidemic among war veterans >> >> It’s not all that unusual for The Guardian to snipe at the US military of >> course, but something about the way the subject was being treated puzzled >> me. >> >> Last year, more active-duty soldiers killed themselves than died in >> combat. >> >> Is this a story about how much better military medicine has got or one >> about how the system is driving huge numbers into suicide? The way the >> paper tells the story it’s that there is indeed some epidemic of suicide >> sweeping through the ranks of the military and veterans. And my problem is >> that having looked at the numbers I just don’t see it. >> >> I should of course point out that any and every suicide is a tragedy. >> Both for the person dying and for those they leave behind. And I would go >> on and insist that just one suicide is one too many. However, it’s also >> necessary to note that suicide does indeed happen in all walks of life. >> What we need to know is whether there are more than the normal number in >> one specific profession or occupation. Only then can we start to argue that >> there’s something specific to that occupation that leads to suicide. >> >> For example, with the military: it’s easy enough to postulate that a rise >> in Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will lead to a rise in suicides. >> Indeed, we’d probably expect such a thing to happen. Thus, as more see >> combat, more suffer from that stress, we’d see the rate rise. >> >> But before we conclude that this is happening we do in fact need to check >> and see whether the rate is odd. Is out of order for the society which >> people come from. And that’s where this story of an epidemic of military >> suicides rather falls down. The actual suicide rate in the US military >> seems to be around and about that for the US as a whole. Soldiers and >> ex-soldiers don’t kill themselves in any greater numbers than the average >> American does. >> >> Here’s the numbers being quoted: >> >> In 2012, for the first time in at least a generation, the number of >> active-duty soldiers who killed themselves, 177, exceeded the 176 who were >> killed while in the war zone. To put that another way, more of America’s >> serving soldiers died at their own hands than in pursuit of the enemy. >> >> OK: obviously that’s both 177 and 176 too many. But is that 177 something >> unexpected, out of the ordinary? >> >> The US active service military is some 1.5 million strong >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_military>. The general suicide rate >> among all Americans is 12 per 100,000 per year. So, 15 x 12 would give us >> the expected number of suicides among active duty military: 180 per year. >> But that’s not quite right for a number of reasons: the most obvious being >> that they’re talking about “soldiers” not military. There’s some 600,000 (A >> note about numbers here. Getting the first digit and the number of digits >> correct is enough. Measuring the number of solders to the 6 th digit would >> just give a spurious sense of accuracy.) apparently, meaning that our >> expected number would be 6 x 12, or 72. >> >> Ah, but wait, by far the majority of those active service members will be >> male (women only just this past week being cleared for combat operations >> for example) so perhaps we should use the male suicide rate, not the >> population one? At around 25 >> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends03.html> that >> gives us 6 x 25: 150. It’s not immediately apparent that the suicide rate >> in active service troops is higher than that of the general population. >> Especially when we add one more point >> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_DataSheet-a.pdf>: >> >> There is one suicide for every 25 attempted suicides >> >> I don’t think it’s all that much of a stretch to suggest that active duty >> troops, those who by definition have access to live ammunition and a gun, >> have a slightly different ratio of attempts to actual suicide. >> >> We can go on with the numbers: >> >> Across all branches of the US military and the reserves, a similar >> disturbing trend was recorded. In all, 349 service members took their own >> lives in 2012, while a lesser number, 295, died in combat. >> >> All military is more like 2.3 million people. 23 x 25 gives us 575 as our >> expected number assuming the military is all male. So the suicide rate >> seems to be lower than that of the male population (although higher than >> that expected from the rate for the general population, which would be 276). >> >> one of an astonishing 6,500 former military personnel who killed >> themselves in 2012, roughly equivalent to one every 80 minutes. >> >> And yes, that is a high and shocking number. But apparently there are 21 >> *million* veterans <http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteranscensus1.html> in >> the US. 95% of them male so using again the male suicide rate we’d expect >> 5,250. >> >> It’s just very difficult indeed to see that there is an epidemic of >> suicides in the military: either serving personnel or veterans. Within the >> limits of the statistics being used the rates seem to be a little below or >> a little above those for American men generally. I just don’t see where the >> “epidemic” comes from. >> >> Some of the earlier stories on this (these stories come in waves as the >> Pentagon releases suicide statistics tw >> >> ... > > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "PoliticalForum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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