Here's a starting point on zionism: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html
I have worked with and know many conservative Jews who do not feel any need for the state of Israel, I have been told you can be a Jew anywhere!!! As I said, I support the existence of Israel and it's 1948 borders!!! On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > We've been here, and covered this; as a matter of fact on the very same > day that Wikipedia changed their page regarding Zionism. I reject > "Christian Zionism" as most everyone other than far left extremists and > religious zealots do. > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:27 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> you haven't a clue what Zionism even means >> --- >> you're the one who doesn't understand zionism and what it promotes. >> here's a clue: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism >> http://www.jewsonfirst.org/07b/moody_georgewashington.html >> >> >> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 8:11:53 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Not only are you an goofy, you're an idiot. Obviously you haven't a >>> clue what Zionism even means, but your Nazi Anti-Jewish side shows clearly. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> you are a fucking zionist who will sacrifice American interest for >>> israel. >>> it's not surprising that you live in Florida with your zionist brothers >>> and sisters. >>> go home to israel, zioboy. >>> >>> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:58:22 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> More far left extremist hate filled Anti-Jew/Anti-American lies. >>> >>> Here's the study: >>> >>> http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-Data-Report-2012-final.pdf >>> >>> >>> It's 22 a year; and that was for the year 2011. (*See* Pages 16-19) >>> >>> That within ten states measured, 22 veterans of all ages, (As old as 93; >>> a WW II Veteran) were included in that "22 A Day" figure, and note that >>> this is from Ten States reporting >>> >>> In 2012, there were a total of 168 suicides, which was far less than >>> most any other group within our Nation. >>> >>> Again? What is the purpose of these lies? What agenda are you feeding >>> by repeating these lies >>> >>> Oh yea....The, "Anti-American/Anti-Jew/Secularist" Agenda..... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:17 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day >>> >>> By Moni Basu, CNN >>> >>> Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 >>> minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher. >>> >>> The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs >>> <http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427> in February, >>> is based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from >>> 1999 through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. >>> The other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the >>> fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available. >>> >>> Who wasn't counted? >>> >>> People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage >>> in Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Casper, >>> by an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and >>> when she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine. >>> >>> When Derby returned home, he locked himself in a motel room for days. >>> Casper saw a vacant stare in her son's eyes. A while later, Derby was >>> called up for a tour of Iraq. He didn't want to kill again. He went AWOL >>> and finally agreed to an "other than honorable" discharge. >>> >>> Derby was not in the VA system, and Illinois did not send in data on >>> veteran suicides to the VA. >>> >>> Experts have no doubt that people are being missed in the national >>> counting of veteran suicides. Luana Ritch, the veterans and military >>> families coordinator in Nevada, helped publish an extensive report on that >>> state's veteran suicides. >>> >>> Veteran confronts rape and suicide >>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/military-suicide-rape/index.html> >>> >>> Part of the problem, she says, is that there is no uniform reporting >>> system for deaths in America. It's usually up to a funeral director or a >>> coroner to enter veteran status and suicide on a death certificate. Veteran >>> status is a single question on the death report, and there is no >>> verification of it from the Defense Department or the VA. >>> >>> "Birth and death certificates are only as good as the information that >>> is entered," Ritch says. "There is underreporting. How much, I don't know." >>> >>> Who else might not be counted? >>> >>> A homeless person who has no one who can vouch that he or she is a >>> veteran, or others whose families don't want to divulge a suicide because >>> of the stigma associated with mental illness; they may pressure a state >>> coroner to not list the death as suicide >>> >>> If a veteran intentionally crashes a car or dies of a drug overdose and >>> leaves no note, that death may not be counted as suicide. >>> >>> An investigation by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper >>> <http://www.statesman.com/s/special-report/uncounted-casualties/>last >>> year revealed an alarmingly high percentage of veterans who died in this >>> manner in Texas, a state that did not send in data for the VA report. >>> >>> "It's very hard to capture that information," says Barbara van Dahlen, a >>> psychologist who founded Give an Hour, <http://www.giveanhour.org/> a >>> nonprofit group that pairs volunteer mental-health professionals with >>> combat veterans. >>> >>> Nikkolas Lookabill had been home about four months from Iraq when he was >>> shot to death by police in Vancouver, Washington, in September 2010. The >>> prosecutor's office said Lookabill told officers "he wanted them to shoot >>> him." The case is one of many considered "suicide by cop" and not counted >>> in suicide data. >>> >>> Carri Leigh Goodwin enlisted in the Marine Corps in 2007. She said she >>> was raped by a fellow Marine at Camp Pendleton and eventually was forced >>> out of the Corps with a personality disorder diagnosis. She did not tell >>> her family that she was raped or that she had thought about suicide. She >>> also did not tell them she was taking Zoloft, a drug prescribed for anxiety. >>> >>> Her father, Gary Noling, noticed that Goodwin was drinking heavily when >>> she returned home. Five days later, she went drinking with her sister, who >>> left her intoxicated in a parked car. The Zoloft interacted with the >>> alcohol, and she died in the back seat of the car. Her blood alcohol >>> content was six times the legal limit. >>> >>> Police charged her sister and a friend in Goodwin's death for furnishing >>> alcohol to an underaged woman: Goodwin was 20. Noling says his daughter >>> intended to drink herself to death. Later, Noling went through Goodwin's >>> journals and learned about her rape and suicidal thoughts. >>> >>> A recent analysis by News21 >>> <http://backhome.news21.com/article/suicide/>, an investigative >>> multimedia program for journalism students, found that the annual suicide >>> rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 of the population, >>> compared with the civilian rate of 14 per 100,000. The analysis of records >>> from 48 states found that the suicide rate for veterans increased an >>> average of 2.6% a year from 2005 to 2011 -- more than double the rate of >>> increase for civilian suicide. >>> >>> Nearly one in five suicides nationally is a veteran, even though >>> veterans make up about 10% of the U.S. population, the News21 analysis >>> found. >>> >>> The authors of the VA study, Janet Kemp and Robert Bossarte, included >>> many cautions about the interpretation of their data, though they stand by >>> the reliability of their findings. Bossarte said there was a consistency in >>> the samples that allowed them to comfortably project the national figure of >>> 22. >>> >>> But more than 34,000 suicides from the 21 states that reported data to >>> the VA were discarded because the state death records failed to indicate >>> whether the deceased was a veteran. That's 23% of the recorded suicides >>> from those states. So the study looked at 77% of the recorded suicides in >>> 40% of the U.S. population. >>> >>> The VA report itself acknowledged "significant limitations" of the >>> available data and identified flaws in its report. "The ability of death >>> certificates to fully capture female veterans was particularly low; only >>> 67% of true female veterans were identified. Younger or unmarried veterans >>> and those with lower levels of education were also more likely to be missed >>> on the death certificate." >>> >>> "We think that all suicides are underreported. There is uncertainty in >>> the check box," says Steve Elkins, the state registrar in Minnesota, which >>> has one of the best suicide data recording systems in the country. >>> >>> Websites become tool for stopping suicide >>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/facebook-suicide/index.html> >>> >>> VA Secretary Eric Shinseki requested collaboration from all 50 states to >>> improve timeliness and accuracy of suicide reporting, key to improving >>> suicide prevention. At the time the VA released its last suicide report, at >>> least 11 states had not made a decision on data collaboration. >>> >>> Combat stress is just one reason why veterans attempt suicide. Military >>> sexual assaults are another. Psychologist Craig Bryan says his research is >>> finding that military victims of violent assault or rape are six times more >>> likely to attempt suicide than military non-victims. >>> >>> More than 69% of all veteran suicides were among those 50 and older. >>> Mental-health professionals said one reason could be that these men give up >>> on life after their children are out of the house or a longtime marriage >>> falls apart. They are also likely to be Vietnam veterans, who returned from >>> war to a hostile public and an unresponsive VA. Combat stress was chalked >>> up to being crazy, and many Vietnam veterans lived with ghosts in their >>> heads without seeking help. >>> >>> Even though more older veterans are committing suicide, it's difficult >>> to predict what the toll of America's newest wars will be. A survey by >>> the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America >>> <http://iava.org/press-room/press-releases/new-veterans-survey-30-percent-have-considered-taking-their-own-life>showed >>> that 30% of service members have considered taking their own life, and 45% >>> said they know an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran who has attempted suicide. >>> >>> "There's probably a tidal wave of suicides coming," says Brian Kinsella, >>> an Iraq war veteran who started Stop Soldier Suicide >>> <http://www.stopsoldiersuicide.org/>, a nonprofit group that works to >>> raise awareness of suicide. Between October 2006 and June 2013, the >>> Veterans Crisis Line received more than 890,000 calls. That number does not >>> include chats and texts. >>> >>> President Barack Obama says there is a need to "end this epidemic of >>> suicide among our veterans and troops." In August 2012, he signed an >>> executive order calling for stronger suicide prevention efforts. A year >>> later, he announced $107 million in new funding for better mental health >>> treatment for veterans with post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain >>> injury, signature injuries of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. >>> >>> On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> One word, three syllables: "Asinine": >>> >>> But There Isn't An Epidemic Of Suicide In The US Military >>> Comment Now >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/#comment_reply> >>> >>> Follow Comments >>> >>> >>> *http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there-isnt-an-epidemic-of-suicide-in-the-us-military/* >>> >>> I was very surprised to see this headline in The Guardian today >>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/01/us-military-suicide-epidemic-veteran> >>> : >>> >>> US military struggling to stop suicide epidemic among war veterans >>> >>> It’s not all that unusual for The Guardian to snipe at the US military >>> of course, but something about the way the subject was being treated >>> puzzled me. >>> >>> Last year, more active-duty soldiers killed themselves than died in >>> combat. >>> >>> Is this a story about how much better military medicine has got or one >>> about how the system is driving huge numbers into suicide? The way the >>> paper tells the story it’s that there is indeed some epidemic of suicide >>> sweeping through the ranks of the military and veterans. And my problem is >>> that having looked at the numbers I just don’t see it. >>> >>> I should of course point out that any and every suicide is a tragedy. >>> Both for the person dying and for those they leave behind. And I would go >>> on and insist that just one suicide is one too many. However, it’s also >>> necessary to note that suicide does indeed happen in all walks of life. >>> What we need to know is whether there are more than the normal number in >>> one specific profession or occupation. Only then can we start to argue that >>> there’s something specific to that occupation that leads to suicide. >>> >>> For example, with the military: it’s easy enough to postulate that a >>> rise in Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will lead to a rise in >>> suicides. Indeed, we’d probably expect such a thing to happen. Thus, as >>> more see combat, more suffer from that stress, we’d see the rate rise. >>> >>> But before we conclude that this is happening we do in fact need to >>> check and see whether the rate is odd. Is out of order for the society >>> which people come from. And that’s where this story of an epidemic of >>> military suicides rather falls down. The actual suicide rate in the US >>> military seems to be around and about that for the US as a whole. Soldiers >>> and ex-soldiers don’t kill themselves in any greater numbers than the >>> average American does. >>> >>> Here’s the numbers being quoted: >>> >>> In 2012, for the first time in at least a generation, the number of >>> active-duty soldiers who killed themselves, 177, exceeded the 176 who were >>> killed while in the war zone. To put that another way, more of America’s >>> serving soldiers died at their own hands than in pursuit of the enemy. >>> >>> OK: obviously that’s both 177 and 176 too many. But is that 177 >>> something unexpected, out of the ordinary? >>> >>> The US active service military is some 1.5 million strong >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_military>. The general suicide rate >>> among all Americans is 12 per 100,000 per year. So, 15 x 12 would give us >>> the expected number of suicides among active duty military: 180 per year. >>> But that’s not quite right for a number of reasons: the most obvious being >>> that they’re talking about “soldiers” not military. There’s some 600,000 (A >>> note about numbers here. Getting the first digit and the number of digits >>> correct is enough. Measuring the number of solders to the 6 th digit would >>> just give a spurious sense of accuracy.) apparently, meaning that our >>> expected number would be 6 x 12, or 72. >>> >>> Ah, but wait, by far the majority of those active service members will >>> be male (women only just this past week being cleared for combat operations >>> for example) so perhaps we should use the male suicide rate, not the >>> population one? At around 25 >>> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends03.html> >>> that >>> gives us 6 x 25: 150. It’s not immediately apparent that the suicide rate >>> in active service troops is higher than that of the general population. >>> Especially when we add one more point >>> <http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_DataSheet-a.pdf>: >>> >>> There is one suicide for every 25 attempted suicides >>> >>> I don’t think it’s all that much of a stretch to suggest that active >>> duty troops, those who by definition have access to live ammunition and a >>> gun, have a slightly different ratio of attempts to actual suicide. >>> >>> We can go on with the numbers: >>> >>> Across all branches of the US military and the reserves, a similar >>> disturbing trend was recorded. In all, 349 service members took their own >>> lives in 2012, while a lesser number, 295, died in combat. >>> >>> All military is more like 2.3 million people. 23 x 25 gives us 575 as >>> our expected number assuming the military is all male. So the suicide rate >>> seems to be lower than that of the male population (although higher than >>> that expected from the rate for the general population, which would be 276). >>> >>> one of an astonishing 6,500 former military personnel who killed >>> themselves in 2012, roughly equivalent to one every 80 minutes. >>> >>> And yes, that is a high and shocking number. But apparently there are 21 >>> *million* veterans <http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteranscensus1.html> in >>> the US. 95% of them male so using again the male suicide rate we’d expect >>> 5,250. >>> >>> It’s just very difficult indeed to see that there is an epidemic of >>> suicides in the military: either serving personnel or veterans. Within the >>> limits of the statistics being used the rates seem to be a little below or >>> a little above those for American men generally. I just don’t see where the >>> “epidemic” comes from. >>> >>> Some of the earlier stories on this (these stories come in waves as the >>> Pentagon releases suicide statistics tw >>> >>> ... >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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