Obviously we will always disagree, you feel equality is special, I don't ... so I suppose all those Christian denominations that are for equal rights are wrong and your version is right!!!
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > A couple of "Facts" that you are overlooking Brine; > > First, the week prior to Ms. Davis refusing to place her signature on a > marriage license for same sex couples; wherein the U.S. Supreme Court > unconstitutionally redefined marriage; the Kentucky Constitution, as well > as Kentucky Code defined marriage as between one man and one woman. This > was the law of the land; and will of the 4.4 million Kentuckians who spoke > out on the Kentucky Constitutional Amendment. > > Ms. Davis was in fact an elected Official by the Kentuckians of Rowan > County. This, the same Kentuckians who in fact voted and vociferously were > opposed to the redefinition of marriage. > > "Special Rights" is exactly what has happened here. Prior to the > redefinition of marriage, a Gay man or a Gay woman was able to marry > anyone that they so chose as long as that individual was within the 5,000 > + years of the tenets and definition of marriage, and; providing that the > individual who was his or her partner wanted to be married! The Supreme > Court has now redefined the definition of marriage, where now a Gay man or > Woman can marry someone of their own sex, based on their sexual > proclivities. > > This is discriminatory against me, a single, heterosexual man, in that it > allows for a Gay man to reap certain tax benefits and other privileges that > I am not allowed, based on my sexual tastes. > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since the law of the land changed and she felt so strongly that she could >> not uphold the law, she should have quit the job ... if I am unable to do >> what my employer requires, my job is forfeit!!! >> >> How is it "special" to want the same rights afforded others ... why >> should a gay person have to jump through hoops and hire lawyers when a >> union granted by the state will give them all the same rights? >> >> The worst argument I heard against gay people getting married was by a >> woman on a board who didn't want them to collect social security ... do gay >> people NOT pay FICA???? >> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> No, what you are advocating is "Special Rights" for Gays. Mark me in >>> the "opposed" category. >>> >>> Ms. Davis by your own admission has persecuted no one. >>> >>> You should be ashamed at the hatred, smear and nasty rhetoric that you >>> have slung against this Christian woman! Shame on you! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:59 PM, plainolamerican < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> How did Ms. Davis, (*e.g.*; "the *fat assed bigoted bitch*") persecute >>>> Gays? >>>> --- >>>> she refused to issue them marriage licenses ... but you know that. >>>> >>>> What is your definition of "persecute"? >>>> --- >>>> denying someone equal rights. >>>> >>>> Get a grip Plain Ol' and stop it with the PC crap! You never used to >>>> do that! What has changed you? >>>> --- >>>> seeing American rights being denied to people because of their >>>> sexuality. That change took place about 10-15 years ago and you need to >>>> catch up. Thank goodness you're not a civil rights attorney. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:43:50 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How did Ms. Davis, (*e.g.*; "the *fat assed bigoted bitch*") >>>>> persecute Gays? What is your definition of "persecute"? >>>>> >>>>> Get a grip Plain Ol' and stop it with the PC crap! You never used to >>>>> do that! What has changed you? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:28 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Kim Davis has discriminated against no one. Your typical hate filled >>>>>> extremist (and clueless) post proves my point! "Fat assed bigoted bitch" >>>>>> says it all Plain Ol'. Continue on with your hate, vehemence, and >>>>>> lies. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> she persecuted gays and then disobeyed the courts .... so they sent >>>>>> her fat bigoted ass to jail with a warning that if she refused to issue >>>>>> marriage licenses she would be jailed again. >>>>>> >>>>>> it's you're klan that persecutes people because of your mythical >>>>>> religious beliefs and your klan that will end up in court and/or jail >>>>>> for >>>>>> persecution and bigotry. >>>>>> open your heart or open your wallet ... lawyer boy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL! Kim Davis has discriminated against no one. Your typical hate >>>>>>> filled extremist (and clueless) post proves my point! "Fat assed >>>>>>> bigoted >>>>>>> bitch" says it all Plain Ol'. Continue on with your hate, vehemence, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> lies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To date, you've yet to produce any Christian who has purportedly >>>>>>>> discriminated against or in any way harmed Gays or Transgenders. >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> does the name kim davis ring a bell? >>>>>>>> that fat ass bigoted bitch was sent to jail for persecuting lgbt's. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You will have a hard time somehow protecting those wacked out >>>>>>>> Atheists, Agnostics, and left of center elitists who hate Christians >>>>>>>> and go >>>>>>>> on the attack against them! >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> defend yourself at all times. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no excuse Plain Ol'; other than to point to the breakdown >>>>>>>> of the family, moral decay and the lack of Christianity in these >>>>>>>> people's >>>>>>>> lives that cause them to go on murderous assassinations and terroristic >>>>>>>> rampages. >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> lack of xianity? >>>>>>>> nobody kills more people than religious myth believing abrahamics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the good news! >>>>>>>> world-wide, humans are becoming less religious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 1:57:46 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To date, you've yet to produce any Christian who has purportedly >>>>>>>>> discriminated against or in any way harmed Gays or Transgenders. You >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> have a hard time somehow protecting those wacked out Atheists, >>>>>>>>> Agnostics, >>>>>>>>> and left of center elitists who hate Christians and go on the attack >>>>>>>>> against them! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no excuse Plain Ol'; other than to point to the breakdown >>>>>>>>> of the family, moral decay and the lack of Christianity in these >>>>>>>>> people's >>>>>>>>> lives that cause them to go on murderous assassinations and >>>>>>>>> terroristic >>>>>>>>> rampages. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Harper Mercer; >>>>>>>>> Floyd Lee Corkins; >>>>>>>>> Amy Bishop; >>>>>>>>> Andrew J. Stack, >>>>>>>>> James J. Lee; >>>>>>>>> Craig Stephen Hicks; >>>>>>>>> Adam Lanza, >>>>>>>>> Jared Laughner, >>>>>>>>> Seung-hui Cho, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just to name a few..... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:39 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many more U.S. Christians headed to jail in 2016? >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> we should jail as many as it takes to insure equal protection to >>>>>>>>>> lgbt's and other minority groups from xian persecution. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 10:22:02 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Many more U.S. Christians headed to jail in 2016?* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Posted By *Greg Corombos* On 12/25/2015 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The year 2015 witnessed a Supreme Court decision ruling there >>>>>>>>>>> was a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, a federal judge >>>>>>>>>>> jailing a >>>>>>>>>>> county clerk for refusing to issue licenses to gay couples and the >>>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>> explosion of the transgender movement, but one of the key figures >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> culture wars says 2016 could well be a year of Americans pushing >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> against the liberal agenda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In June, years worth of political and legal battles found their >>>>>>>>>>> way to the Supreme Court. By a 5-4 decision authored by Justice >>>>>>>>>>> Anthony >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy, the court ruled that the equal protections offered in the >>>>>>>>>>> Constitution ought to establish a right to same-sex marriage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The decision was not surprising given previous rulings by the >>>>>>>>>>> same justices, but Liberty Counsel Chairman Mathew Staver told WND >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Radio America it was disgraceful nonetheless. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “Frankly, I don’t think it deserves any respect as the rule of >>>>>>>>>>> law,” Staver said. “It’s just the opinion of five justices. >>>>>>>>>>> However, some >>>>>>>>>>> people are playing the games of masquerade and assuming this is >>>>>>>>>>> what the >>>>>>>>>>> Constitution says. That will have a culture-changing impact at >>>>>>>>>>> every level.” >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Although he refuses to honor the court ruling, Staver knows it >>>>>>>>>>> is a huge moment in the battle over American morality. He said the >>>>>>>>>>> nation >>>>>>>>>>> has arrived at a major cultural crossroads. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “This is a culture clash of unprecedented proportions that we’ve >>>>>>>>>>> now entered into. This will continue as we move into the new year,” >>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>> said. “It’s going to come up in every conceivable context private >>>>>>>>>>> schools, >>>>>>>>>>> churches, universities, colleges, you name it. Every institution, >>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>> person of faith will have to address this issue.” >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver would know. Weeks after the Supreme Court decision, >>>>>>>>>>> he became counsel for Kim Davis, the clerk for Rowan County, >>>>>>>>>>> Kentucky. >>>>>>>>>>> Davis, a born-again Christian, refused to issue marriage licenses to >>>>>>>>>>> homosexual couples, citing her freedom of conscience and free >>>>>>>>>>> religious >>>>>>>>>>> expression. The federal courts disagreed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “Two months after this 5-4 opinion, the first Christian went to >>>>>>>>>>> jail for her sincerely held religious beliefs,” Staver said. >>>>>>>>>>> “Although she >>>>>>>>>>> was the first, she certainly won’t be the last. It will not involve >>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>> public employees or public elected officials but certainly the >>>>>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>>>>> sector as well.” >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver said the entire Davis saga could easily have been >>>>>>>>>>> avoided, but the Democratic governor refused to take action to >>>>>>>>>>> protect the >>>>>>>>>>> rights of conscience. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “There was no accommodation that was given by the former >>>>>>>>>>> governor, Steven Beshear, who is no longer in office. He refused to >>>>>>>>>>> accommodate her so she made her own accommodation. When she >>>>>>>>>>> returned to >>>>>>>>>>> work, she refused to violate her conscience, so she removed her >>>>>>>>>>> name and >>>>>>>>>>> title from the license,” Staver said. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Listen to the WND/Radio America interview with Mathew Staver:* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Beshear was replaced by tea-party Republican Matt Bevin, who >>>>>>>>>>> scored a large upset victory over Democrat Jack Conway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "He became elected, in large part, because of the marriage issue >>>>>>>>>>> and Kim Davis," Staver said. "He took the side of natural marriage >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> supports Kim Davis. He's now been sworn into office, and he's >>>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>> [issued] an executive order to protect the religious freedom of Kim >>>>>>>>>>> Davis >>>>>>>>>>> and other clerks like her." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec. 23, Bevin ordered the removal of clerks' names from >>>>>>>>>>> marriage licenses throughout the commonwealth, the very same >>>>>>>>>>> decision Davis >>>>>>>>>>> made unilaterally earlier in the year. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver said the story of Gov. Bevin ought to be a lesson to >>>>>>>>>>> national candidates as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The candidates will have to address this issue. The voters will >>>>>>>>>>> require that they address this issue," said Staver, who believes >>>>>>>>>>> pushing >>>>>>>>>>> back is a winning issue for the GOP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The more and more the issue of same-sex marriage and the >>>>>>>>>>> radical, so-called LGBT agenda moves forward, the more people will >>>>>>>>>>> see how >>>>>>>>>>> intolerant it is, how coercive it is," Staver said. "Kim Davis is >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> Exhibit A in that situation. I think most people will say, 'This is >>>>>>>>>>> not the >>>>>>>>>>> kind of America we want to live in. This is not what we bargained >>>>>>>>>>> for,' and >>>>>>>>>>> they're going to push back." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver also believes the reputation of the nation's courts is in >>>>>>>>>>> peril. He said an upcoming ruling in high-profile abortion cases >>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>> critical to how Americans view the courts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "I think it's pushing itself into the realm of illegitimacy," he >>>>>>>>>>> said. "I think the same-sex marriage case pushed it across the >>>>>>>>>>> line. I >>>>>>>>>>> think if it goes the wrong way on the abortion or the contraception >>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>> abortion-inducing drug mandate, I think that will finish off this >>>>>>>>>>> court and >>>>>>>>>>> people will just simply say, 'We're not going to obey people who >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> invent the law as they go.'" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As the gay marriage debate reached a critical moment at the >>>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court, the transgender movement also emerged much more >>>>>>>>>>> publicly in >>>>>>>>>>> 2015, led by Olympic decathlon champion Bruce Jenner announcing he >>>>>>>>>>> identified as a woman named Caitlyn. Multiple television >>>>>>>>>>> programs emerged <http://dateline.radioamerica.org/?p=15655> to >>>>>>>>>>> highlight the stories of Jenner and others. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "It is part of their whole movement to bring out this bizarre 'I >>>>>>>>>>> think, therefore I am' concept," Staver said. "We always saw that in >>>>>>>>>>> philosophy, but now they're actually trying to make that a reality, >>>>>>>>>>> that if >>>>>>>>>>> you think you're a woman then you ought to be legally recognized and >>>>>>>>>>> treated as a woman? It's absolutely absurd." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver said it doesn't take a deep faith to understand the deep >>>>>>>>>>> flaws in embracing the movement. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "You cannot get used to something that pushes in your face and >>>>>>>>>>> is a direct collision with your sincerely held religious beliefs >>>>>>>>>>> and, >>>>>>>>>>> frankly, objective, observable reality," he said. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staver admits 2015 was a difficult year for cultural >>>>>>>>>>> conservatives, but he said there is much more reason for hope than >>>>>>>>>>> despair. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "We haven't even begun to see this battle," Staver said. 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