Maybe this will help: To "Declare War" has a goal; an objective; and most importantly a conclusion and finite ending.
That was not the case last week when Trump ordered the launch of missiles against a very limited target. On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I did this yesterday, and for you to ignore it is typical. > > I repeat, *"Whether You Like It~~Or Don't Like It; It Is~~What It Is"* > and the words are quite clear, concise and distinct. Article II, Section > II: > > *"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the > United States, and of the Militia of the several States,"* > > (Please Take Note Of The Commas!) > > As compared to Article I, Section VIII; Paragraph XI: > > "*To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules > concerning Captures on Land and Water"*; > > (Emphasis added....I hope this helps you!) > > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:54 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> The only one "clouding the issue" is you. >> >> Again, HERE is the Constitution: >> https://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt >> >> Point to the Article, Section and Clause or Amendment you imagine >> provides the President with the Power/Authority to bomb/attack/whatever you >> want to call it (what occurred recently regarding Syria) >> All your other machinations are wholly irrelevant. >> That you (again) fail to provide such merely affirms reality. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> "Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even >> listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing." -- >> Dwight Eisenhower, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 10:14 AM 4/11/2017, you wrote: >> >> Good Morning Michael; >> >> Although you're attempting to cloud the issue, and play a game of >> semantics:  I'll play! >> >> There's a distinction between what one may term, "An Act of War"; versus, >> "Waging War"; and specifically, the ability to "Declare War";  and there's >> nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the Commander in Chief, (Again, >> *See* Article II Section II) from taking what the Commander in Chief >> mandates, concludes or proscribes as requisite steps for the safety and >> security of the Nation and the American People. It has always been >> considered in our Nation, (stemming from the British Common Law) that the >> very nature and "Conduct of War" is an "Executive Power" granted to the >> President....Period. >> >> As I pointed out yesterday, for Congress to place some restriction or >> quagmire on the President from taking such steps as President Trump engaged >> in last week in Syria; or to deny the President the ability to function as >> the Commander in Chief and to direct our military into necessary >> engagements in order to preserve National Security;  as per the dictates >> of Article II Section II, would be Unconstitutional; and a misreading of >> the Constitution or the intent by our Forefathers. >> >> Troop Strength is not at all a factor in this;  (although I, in a sense >> referenced that yesterday);  what is required is the "Engagement of War"; >> (Or the "Declaration of War";  which has not happened in this situation, >> and those of you who argue that the President's "Act" was somehow >> Unconstitutional continue to fail to acknowledge that!);  which entails a >> purpose; goal, and requires "Multiple Acts" other than a one time, one hour >> missile engagement! Granted,  the Trump Administration's actions in >> Syria last week may be construed as an aggressive military engagement; or >> even an "Act of War"; but it was not a, "Declaration of War"; and far from >> meeting the definition of "Waging War". >> >> It's just not, and for you to not be able to fathom this, in my opinion >> is quite telling. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> [image: Image may contain: meme and text]  >> >> >> >> There is no continuous ongoing engagement or conflict;  there's no >> designation of troops or anything more than a one time engagement which >> falls into the powers designated to the President under Article II Section >> 2 of the Constitution.  To interpret the action by President Trump in >> any other fashion would literally be Unconstitutional.... >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>  >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PoliticalForum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PoliticalForum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PoliticalForum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
