The First Amendment is also how People get the Right to Freely express their Religion...
On Nov 12, 3:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gaar, > > Too late to save you boy, he's left the field. > What you are talking about lad is a official document, you know like a > TREATY, that is ON display. And that document dosen't say a fucking > thing about religion other than that this country will NOT have an > official one. Yep, I checked, right there in the First Ammendment. > > On Nov 12, 4:02 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > One of those "diplays" is of the U.S. Constitution... > > > As many others just quote from it. > > > Which isn't "U.S. Policy", it should be the Fucking Law of the Land. > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding. > > > On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > Explain how my comparison of private opinions differ from public > > > opinions expressed in the capacity as a national office holder is > > > nonsensical. > > > > Never been to D.C. Seen pictures, documantaries and movies of tourists > > > standing in front of them getting their pictures taken. Symbolism for > > > the masses, not official statements of U.S policy lad. > > > > Don't run away, try harder. Your rolling over and giving up like the > > > Ram's defensive line. LMAO! > > > > On Nov 12, 3:44 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It's only difficult because you argue a nonsensical position. > > > > > Have you been to DC? "tourist attractions"???. > > > > > I think you're referring to the Smithsonian's exhibit on Uranus. > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > Sure you can, primarily in their PERSONAL LETTERS to friends and > > > > > associates. And i can find as many from other FF's that do not support > > > > > religion, all depends on WHICH FF I dig up and at WHAT point in his > > > > > life. > > > > > Monuments? Tourists attractions lad. NOT official documents stating > > > > > federal Govt. policy. You understand that a Treaty has to be ratified > > > > > by Congress, right? > > > > > Is is beyond you to understand that a man might have a personal > > > > > opinion that is quite different from an opinion he might hold as a > > > > > public official when his/her decisions might very well impact on the > > > > > entire country? Is this too difficult for you to understand? > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:16 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > For every "Treaty of Tripoli" snippet you dig up (and I suspect > > > > > > there > > > > > > aren't many) I can pull up 10 snippets directly related to the > > > > > > faith/ > > > > > > belief/religions the found fathers expressed in other writings. And > > > > > > produce 10 pictures of monuments in DC referring to each. > > > > > > > PS. Of course the Establishment Clause is intended to prevent the > > > > > > establishment, by the govt, of any state sponsored religion. And of > > > > > > course one is free to chose no religion, but it's not specifically > > > > > > stated in the USC, that was my point. > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > Please tell me you're not this dense. > > > > > > > The constituion specifically forbids the establishment of ANY > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > religion. Look it up. > > > > > > > Now, if there IS no officially sanctioned religion that means you > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > never be "punished" for not following the "approved" religion as > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > such thing exists. That, of course means you are not required to > > > > > > > practice ANY religion. The end result or effect is to make one > > > > > > > "free" > > > > > > > from religion is one so chooses. > > > > > > > Regarding a specific religion such as Christianity the U.S. Govt. > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > a clear statement in the Treaty of Tripoli signed and ratified in > > > > > > > 1797 > > > > > > > "as the Government of the United States is NOT, in any sense > > > > > > > founded > > > > > > > on the Christian religion". John Adams was president at the time, > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of our "Founding Fathers" were still living. Just Google "treaty > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Tripoli" if you doubt my word and read the damn thing. > > > > > > > > That enough help for you? Need more? > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:56 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sorta, but where is that found? In the freedom of expression > > > > > > > > clause? > > > > > > > > Maybe the establishment clause? > > > > > > > > > Help a guy out here. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 9:14 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > mark, > > > > > > > > > > It guarantee freedom FROM religion as much as it guarantees > > > > > > > > > freedom to > > > > > > > > > practice a given religion of choice. Anyone try to stop you > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > practicing your religion lately? > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:53 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > try reading the constitution just one time. you will find > > > > > > > > > > that peskt > > > > > > > > > > 1st amendment that provides for the freedom of religion. > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > religions. I realize libs, and nobama will try and rewrite > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > constitution in their pagan image, but as of now it allows > > > > > > > > > > for freedom > > > > > > > > > > of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:05 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? > > > > > > > > > > > good question ! i don't believe we a religious cleric or > > > > > > > > > > > evangelical > > > > > > > > > > > fanatic setting governmental policy for the country . > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:46 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? Aristotle > > > > > > > > > > > > was a good > > > > > > > > > > >ading the constitution just one time. > beginning- > > > > > > > > > > >pre-Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:40 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL > > > > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Religion Personal, Not Political > > > > > > > > > > > > > --http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/Davidow/59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > People really have to stop referring to this country > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation. The founders took great pains to avoid > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorporating religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > references into the Constitution, even going so far > > > > > > > > > > > > > as to state > > > > > > > > > > > > > plainly that no religious test should ever be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > > prerequisite for holding office. Somewhere along the > > > > > > > > > > > > > line things have > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone way off track, as conservative groups assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a right to > > > > > > > > > > > > > define the country's core values and to dictate > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable behavior > > > > > > > > > > > > > for everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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