Ramakazee, Explain how my comparison of private opinions differ from public opinions expressed in the capacity as a national office holder is nonsensical.
Never been to D.C. Seen pictures, documantaries and movies of tourists standing in front of them getting their pictures taken. Symbolism for the masses, not official statements of U.S policy lad. Don't run away, try harder. Your rolling over and giving up like the Ram's defensive line. LMAO! On Nov 12, 3:44 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's only difficult because you argue a nonsensical position. > > Have you been to DC? "tourist attractions"???. > > I think you're referring to the Smithsonian's exhibit on Uranus. > > On Nov 12, 3:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > Sure you can, primarily in their PERSONAL LETTERS to friends and > > associates. And i can find as many from other FF's that do not support > > religion, all depends on WHICH FF I dig up and at WHAT point in his > > life. > > Monuments? Tourists attractions lad. NOT official documents stating > > federal Govt. policy. You understand that a Treaty has to be ratified > > by Congress, right? > > Is is beyond you to understand that a man might have a personal > > opinion that is quite different from an opinion he might hold as a > > public official when his/her decisions might very well impact on the > > entire country? Is this too difficult for you to understand? > > > On Nov 12, 2:16 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For every "Treaty of Tripoli" snippet you dig up (and I suspect there > > > aren't many) I can pull up 10 snippets directly related to the faith/ > > > belief/religions the found fathers expressed in other writings. And > > > produce 10 pictures of monuments in DC referring to each. > > > > PS. Of course the Establishment Clause is intended to prevent the > > > establishment, by the govt, of any state sponsored religion. And of > > > course one is free to chose no religion, but it's not specifically > > > stated in the USC, that was my point. > > > > On Nov 12, 1:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > Please tell me you're not this dense. > > > > The constituion specifically forbids the establishment of ANY state > > > > religion. Look it up. > > > > Now, if there IS no officially sanctioned religion that means you can > > > > never be "punished" for not following the "approved" religion as no > > > > such thing exists. That, of course means you are not required to > > > > practice ANY religion. The end result or effect is to make one "free" > > > > from religion is one so chooses. > > > > Regarding a specific religion such as Christianity the U.S. Govt. made > > > > a clear statement in the Treaty of Tripoli signed and ratified in 1797 > > > > "as the Government of the United States is NOT, in any sense founded > > > > on the Christian religion". John Adams was president at the time, most > > > > of our "Founding Fathers" were still living. Just Google "treaty of > > > > Tripoli" if you doubt my word and read the damn thing. > > > > > That enough help for you? Need more? > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:56 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Sorta, but where is that found? In the freedom of expression clause? > > > > > Maybe the establishment clause? > > > > > > Help a guy out here. > > > > > > On Nov 12, 9:14 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > mark, > > > > > > > It guarantee freedom FROM religion as much as it guarantees freedom > > > > > > to > > > > > > practice a given religion of choice. Anyone try to stop you from > > > > > > practicing your religion lately? > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:53 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > try reading the constitution just one time. you will find that > > > > > > > peskt > > > > > > > 1st amendment that provides for the freedom of religion. all > > > > > > > religions. I realize libs, and nobama will try and rewrite the > > > > > > > constitution in their pagan image, but as of now it allows for > > > > > > > freedom > > > > > > > of religion. > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:05 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? > > > > > > > > good question ! i don't believe we a religious cleric or > > > > > > > > evangelical > > > > > > > > fanatic setting governmental policy for the country . > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:46 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? Aristotle was a > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > >ading the constitution just one time. > beginning- pre-Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:40 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Religion Personal, Not Political > > > > > > > > > > --http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/Davidow/59 > > > > > > > > > > People really have to stop referring to this country as a > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > nation. The founders took great pains to avoid > > > > > > > > > > incorporating religious > > > > > > > > > > references into the Constitution, even going so far as to > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > plainly that no religious test should ever be considered a > > > > > > > > > > prerequisite for holding office. 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