jgg, Your talking nonesense. An individual normally chooses his/her own role models, it is not demanded of them to choose a specific role model (s).
On Nov 19, 9:38 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When it is used in the curriculum it IS USED as a role model... But > you knew this... > > On Nov 18, 5:35 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jjg, > > > Bull-shit. How is mere existance of a book a DEMAND that kids take > > same sex couples as ROLE MODELS? You better look up the word "demand" > > and the term "role model". Pure partisan gibberish. > > > On Nov 18, 4:05 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The selection of textbooks says it all... Do a google. > > > > On Nov 18, 4:52 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > Please show me where and how it is DEMANDED of 6th graders they use > > > > same sex couples as ROLE MODELS. > > > > > On Nov 18, 11:17 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > From the article > > > > > > >>> "We don't want to isolate children every day in their own > > > > > >>> classroom, or make them feel they're different," said Principal > > > > > >>> Michaela Martin. > > > > > > That is exactly what they are doing by requiring kids to go elsewhere > > > > > to recite the pledge... The simplest solution is to have the kids > > > > > say it in the classroom with those kids who don't... It would be a > > > > > lesson in being tolerant of another's opinion in the Public > > > > > Square... > > > > > > >>> Isn't it simply the adults scoring political points for one side > > > > > >>> or the other by using the kids and this pledge? > > > > > > Ah yes, the "kids are too dumb to understanding" straw man... As this > > > > > question applies to six graders also in this case, will you say the > > > > > same about a 12 year old??? FYI there are kids as young as 5 or 6 to > > > > > whom understanding of "God" or "Pledge" IS grasped... Do not these > > > > > kids have the right to say the Pledge??? Or is it the agenda of > > > > > adults with a particular POV who wish to impose the habit of > > > > > EXCLUDING GOD from the Public Square??? > > > > > > As to the purpose of the Pledge -- to instill a sense of duty owed to > > > > > one's country and community... And that IS a valid educational > > > > > goal... As valid as the demand that families of same sex couples be > > > > > used as role models... The real issue here is WHOSE agenda is > > > > > incorporated into the curriculum, the nutscases of the Left does not > > > > > GOD or patriotism in the agenda on the whole... And that IS A > > > > > PROBLEM... > > > > > > On Nov 18, 11:26 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > Maybe the question should be why does it matter to any rational > > > > > > person > > > > > > WHERE the pledge is said? > > > > > > Has anyone questioned at what age a kid is old enough to understand > > > > > > the significance of what the pledge means? Ask a 2rd grader to > > > > > > define > > > > > > the word "pledge" at certain ages is not the "pledge" simply like a > > > > > > "song" or "poem" they have memorized w/o understanding the meaning > > > > > > or > > > > > > significance? What is the real point here? Isn't it simply the > > > > > > adults > > > > > > scoring political points for one side or the other by using the kids > > > > > > and this pledge? > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 8:31 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > That Hollywood is the question in this matter... Do not the > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > who wish to say the Pledge have the right to do it in their > > > > > > > classroom? > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:36 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > jjg, > > > > > > > > > Beats the fuck out of me. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:23 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So why make the kids who want to say it go to the gym... > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:52 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > This is all really simple. Kid wants to say it fine, kid > > > > > > > > > > dosen't want > > > > > > > > > > to say it, fine. Someone is afraid a kid might be > > > > > > > > > > criticized for > > > > > > > > > > either saying it or not saying it, toogh shit. that's likfe. > > > > > > > > > > You DO know that the phrase "under God" was not an original > > > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > the pledge and was adding during the 1950"s "Oh my God the > > > > > > > > > > commie's > > > > > > > > > > are going to get us" phase, right? > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 9:00 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a current Separation where Secularist are seeking > > > > > > > > > > > to enforce > > > > > > > > > > > their ban Religion from the Public Square... The > > > > > > > > > > > question is not > > > > > > > > > > > IF but when, where, and who... A side note, isn't > > > > > > > > > > > having the kids > > > > > > > > > > > who do not wish to say "under God" stay in the classrooms > > > > > > > > > > > while the > > > > > > > > > > > rest of the students go to the gym "isolating them"??? > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20081114/NEWS/81114027 > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Unlike other Pledge controversies, this one centers > > > > > > > > > > > >>> on how and where schoolchildren say it, not whether > > > > > > > > > > > >>> they should be allowed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1943, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that schoolchildren > > > > > > > > > > > can opt out > > > > > > > > > > > of reciting the pledge for religious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sixty-one years later, the court said a California father > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't > > > > > > > > > > > challenge the Pledge of Allegiance, reversing a > > > > > > > > > > > lower-court decision > > > > > > > > > > > saying teacher-led Pledge recitals in public schools were > > > > > > > > > > > unconstitutional. That case involved an atheist who > > > > > > > > > > > didn't want his > > > > > > > > > > > third-grader to have to listen to the phrase "under God." > > > > > > > > > > > > But it didn't rule on the constitutionality of compulsory > > > > > > > > > > > recitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brouhaha in the Vermont school began in September, > > > > > > > > > > > when parent Ted > > > > > > > > > > > Tedesco began circulating petitions calling for its > > > > > > > > > > > return as a daily > > > > > > > > > > > practice in the 19th-century schoolhouse, which has 55 > > > > > > > > > > > children in > > > > > > > > > > > grades kindergarten through six. > > > > > > > > > > > > School officials agreed to resume the pledge as a daily > > > > > > > > > > > exercise, but > > > > > > > > > > > not in the classroom. > > > > > > > > > > > > "We don't want to isolate children every day in their own > > > > > > > > > > > classroom, > > > > > > > > > > > or make them feel they're different," said Principal > > > > > > > > > > > Michaela Martin. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, starting last week, a sixth grade student was > > > > > > > > > > > assigned to go > > > > > > > > > > > around to the four classrooms before classes started, > > > > > > > > > > > gathering up > > > > > > > > > > > anyone who wanted to say it and then walking them up > > > > > > > > > > > creaky wooden > > > > > > > > > > > steps to a second-floor gymnasium, where he led them in > > > > > > > > > > > the pledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > About half the students chose to participate, according > > > > > > > > > > > to Martin.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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