you brought up the anti religious comment not I . and i have made my position very clear on the mater of separating state and church .
On Dec 9, 11:37 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, at least you are consistent. As always, you can't answer the > question so you run off on a tangent. > > Answer the question or we'll take your failure to do so as an > admission that it was a bogus accusation. > > On Dec 9, 11:25 am, mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > anti religious ? really when did anyone restrict someones religion in > > this mater ? > > > On Dec 9, 11:09 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, and.... ???? So if someone from the zoo has coffee with > > > someone from the museum, is that spending taxpayer money on religion? > > > Or, if the zoo and the museum decide to offer tickets to their > > > respective seasonal events in a combo package, is that spending > > > taxpayer money on religion? Careful now... if you say it is, then you > > > must also cite where/how the zoo is spending money on the museum. But > > > I'll help you... the zoo was not spending any money doing this > > > promotion. It was a bogus charge by paranoid anti-religious idiots. > > > > On Dec 9, 10:16 am, mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > the Zoo is funded in part by tax payer money > > > > > On Dec 9, 10:14 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, how was taxpayer money being spent in this case? Both the museum > > > > > and the zoo were offering to reduce ticket prices to their respective > > > > > events if you buy them both together. That sounds like a win-win for > > > > > the zoo, the museum and the taxpayers who wanted to see the events. > > > > > > The sole basis for the complaint was the mere association of the zoo > > > > > with the museum. How dare the zoo even recognize the existence of an > > > > > organization that teaches creation. It had nothing to do with taxpayer > > > > > money. It's pure paranoia. > > > > > > On Dec 9, 3:25 am, mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > tax payer money should not be spent on any religion period . > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 5:07 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > But it's OK for taxpayer money to promote evolution? It's not > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > the theory of evolution is a proven fact either. Both evolution > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > creation are unproven theories yet you object to only one where > > > > > > > taxpayer money is involved. Most people question where we came > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > and like it or not, there are two principal theories; creation and > > > > > > > evolution. People should not be afraid of exploring either. > > > > > > > > What makes this even more ridiculous is that all they were doing > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > offering a combo ticket to their respective events - The Festival > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Lights and the Christmas celebration, Bethlehem’s Blessing. It > > > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > like the zoo was endorsing the museum. It was two seasonal events > > > > > > > teaming up to make it cheaper for people to see them both. The > > > > > > > response to this was borderlines on anti-religious hysteria. And > > > > > > > because of this hysterical reaction, and the zoo caving into it, > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > who wanted to see both events ended up paying more to do so. > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 3:50 pm, mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i think it is a good idea ! tax payer money should not be spent > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > promote a religious theory > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 11:52 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > You didn't say whether you thought this was a good decision > > > > > > > > > or not, > > > > > > > > > and if you do, why? > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 6:55 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Some complained that the zoo, which receives public support > > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > tax levy, should not become involved with a private museum > > > > > > > > > > dedicated > > > > > > > > > > to the teachings of the Bible’s Book of Genesis. Others > > > > > > > > > > said a > > > > > > > > > > scientific institution shouldn’t link itself to a place > > > > > > > > > > that argues > > > > > > > > > > man once lived side by side with dinosaurs. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 6:49 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > more attacks on religion by the insane leftists. no > > > > > > > > > > > surprise. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 6:29 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoo pulls Creation Museum promotion > > > > > > > > > > > > The Cincinnati Zoo and the Creation Museum launched a > > > > > > > > > > > > joint > > > > > > > > > > > > promotional deal last week to draw attention to their > > > > > > > > > > > > holiday > > > > > > > > > > > > attractions.http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20081201/NEWS01/81201045 > > > > > > > > > > > > > It worked, but not the way zoo and museum officials > > > > > > > > > > > > had hoped. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The zoo pulled out of the deal Monday after receiving > > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of angry > > > > > > > > > > > > calls and e-mails about the partnership, which offered > > > > > > > > > > > > reduced prices > > > > > > > > > > > > to anyone who bought tickets to the zoo’s Festival of > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights and the > > > > > > > > > > > > museum’s Christmas celebration, Bethlehem’s Blessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the protests echoed the same theme: the > > > > > > > > > > > > Creation Museum > > > > > > > > > > > > promotes a religious point of view that conflicts with > > > > > > > > > > > > the zoo’s > > > > > > > > > > > > scientific mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some complained that the zoo, which receives public > > > > > > > > > > > > support through a > > > > > > > > > > > > tax levy, should not become involved with a private > > > > > > > > > > > > museum dedicated > > > > > > > > > > > > to the teachings of the Bible’s Book of Genesis. Others > > > > > > > > > > > > said a > > > > > > > > > > > > scientific institution shouldn’t link itself to a place > > > > > > > > > > > > that argues > > > > > > > > > > > > man once lived side by side with dinosaurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > “They seem like diametrically opposed institutions,” > > > > > > > > > > > > said Dr. James > > > > > > > > > > > > Leach, a Cincinnati radiologist who e-mailed zoo > > > > > > > > > > > > officials about his > > > > > > > > > > > > concerns. “The Cincinnati Zoo is one of this city’s > > > > > > > > > > > > treasures. The > > > > > > > > > > > > Creation Museum is an international laughingstock.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoo officials said they considered the promotion – > > > > > > > > > > > > dubbed “Two Great > > > > > > > > > > > > Attractions, One Great Deal” – a marketing deal no > > > > > > > > > > > > different than > > > > > > > > > > > > other cross-promotions they do with institutions like > > > > > > > > > > > > the Newport > > > > > > > > > > > > Aquarium or the Cincinnati Reds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, they found themselves mired in a heated debate > > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > creationists and evolutionists over the origins of > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind. Thanks to > > > > > > > > > > > > the Internet, the opposition needed only a few days to > > > > > > > > > > > > organize a > > > > > > > > > > > > worldwide e-mail campaign and to set up a zoo boycott > > > > > > > > > > > > through blogs > > > > > > > > > > > > and a Facebook page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > “It’s not about us endorsing them or them endorsing > > > > > > > > > > > > us,” said Chad > > > > > > > > > > > > Yelton, a zoo spokesman. “That wasn’t the intention of > > > > > > > > > > > > anything we > > > > > > > > > > > > were doing.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Creation Museum’s founder, Ken Ham, said the > > > > > > > > > > > > Petersburg, Ky., > > > > > > > > > > > > museum and the zoo spent months preparing the > > > > > > > > > > > > cross-promotion > > > > > > > > > > > > package. > > > > > > > > > > > > He said the zoo’s decision to cut ties after two days > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > disappointing and a missed opportunity to boost > > > > > > > > > > > > regional tourism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham said he was “personally saddened” by the negative > > > > > > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > “It’s a pity that intolerant people have pushed for our > > > > > > > > > > > > expulsion > > > > > > > > > > > > simply because of our Christian faith,” Ham said in a > > > > > > > > > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > “Some > > > > > > > > > > > > of their comments … reveal great intolerance for > > > > > > > > > > > > anything having to > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > with Christianity.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > The museum, which opened in May 2007, has been praised > > > > > > > > > > > > by supporters > > > > > > > > > > > > as a bulwark against evolutionary teachings. It also > > > > > > > > > > > > has been > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculed by critics who say its displays, including a > > > > > > > > > > > > triceratops > > > > > > > > > > > > with a saddle on its back, are based on pseudo science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ticket deal first appeared on web sites for both > > > > > > > > > > > > institutions > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, offering a price of $25.95 for one ticket to > > > > > > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > > > Festival > > > > > > > > > > > > of Lights and Bethlehem’s Blessing, which features a > > > > > > > > > > > > live nativity > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > a recreation of the streets of Bethlehem 2,000 years > > > > > > > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Yelton said the uproar became such a distraction by > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > morning > > > > > > > > > > > > that zoo officials decided to pull it from the web site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No package deals had been sold, so no refunds will be > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > “When we partner with the Reds, we don’t get these > > > > > > > > > > > > kinds of e-mails,” > > > > > > > > > > > > Yelton said. “It’s pretty clear this is more of a > > > > > > > > > > > > distraction.”- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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