plz dont send any messages againe> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:46:01 -0800> Subject: Re: A note to Mike, Even Europe is tiring over Hamas' hateful and bloody Ideology> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> > > No I see some intolerant Islamic seeking to impose on other Moslems> and other Religions... In Iraqi, the locals tossed these intolerant> death cultist out by siding with the US despite the 50 years of anti-> American propaganda... The religious partisanship is a policy of> Hamas and Hizbollah fellow... As is the good vs evil spin...> > >>> Do you know that the world is complex, not simplistic? It is not divided into "good" and "evil!" When you take a Christian-> religious position and see the Gaza Palestinians as "evil," you are> evidencing religious partizanship rather than political reality and> reasoning.> > On Jan 24, 7:14 am, charles <[email protected]> wrote:> > If Gaza Palastinian troops are defending their mosques, homes, and> > schools because the Israelis shell and bomb them, it is because they> > need to defend them! Israel does it even if the Palestinians do not> > defend them---and then claim, always, "Hamas fighters were using the> > civilians as human shields." Can't your recognize propaganda when you> > hear it? Do you know that the world is complex, not simplistic? It> > is not divided into "good" and "evil!" When you take a Christian-> > religious position and see the Gaza Palestinians as "evil," you are> > evidencing religious partizanship rather than political reality and> > reasoning.> >> > charleshttp://atheistic-science.com> >> > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you.> >> > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. There has been no proof of> > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does not want its camps> > > hit then they need to keep them free of combatants (it is one of their> > > responsibilities).> >> > > It is completely legal to target combatants regardless of where they> > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and schools and hospitals> > > and nursing homes.> >> > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on civilians which is a war> > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to mention a UN refuge> > > > camp .> >> > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote:> > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a single banned weapon or> > > > > tactic.> >> > > > > They have not targeted a single location that did not have> > > > > combatants.> >> > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can NOT be said for Hamas or> > > > > the Gazan people.> >> > > > > The fact that women and children are in the locations where the> > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to the value they place on> > > > > their own people. It also shows the non-combatants basic intelligence> > > > > for staying with their women and children (or actually bringing them> > > > > to a site) when offensive or defensive posts are placed in their> > > > > midst.> >> > > > > On Jan 16, 9:54 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]>> > > > > wrote:> >> > > > > > why would i care what hamas's Ideology is ?> > > > > > it is the Jew's who are committing war crimes !> >> > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:59 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > > > > > The Ideological Era that anyone who oppose Western Imperialism had to> > > > > > > be better is over... Even your Italian brethren sees the error of> > > > > > > this logic now... I will suggest that the Left in this Country ALSO> > > > > > > crossed the line in uncivil and hateful speech over and over the last> > > > > > > 8 years... In the end, their Ideology and Urban Myth history will> > > > > > > also be rejected...> >> > > > > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/italian-parliamentarians-ra...> >> > > > > > > >>> This is an episode of the attack agains the western world, and Iran has a lot to do with it.> >> > > > > > > The change of attitude is great: the dictatorial religious nature of> > > > > > > Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of Israel are seen face to> > > > > > > face for what they are at least by the European elite at large, dead> > > > > > > and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an identification with> > > > > > > Israel against a regime that uses human shields and promises> > > > > > > slaughters of Jews in its charter.> >> > > > > > > What happens today, at least in Italy, is the defeat and fall of the> > > > > > > leftist ideologies: ideology has been the fig leaf that has allowed to> > > > > > > justify all the most violent crimes and most disgusting verbal> > > > > > > attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist Intifada, if he promoted the> > > > > > > martyrdom of children in public speeches, the ideologists were ready> > > > > > > to justify him with the issues of occupation, the Palestinian misery> > > > > > > and loss of any hope. Not the same with Hamas. History, in Italy, has> > > > > > > brought to a profound crisis the ideology of revolution and the> > > > > > > justification of any cruel attack against a pretended unjust> > > > > > > imperialist order. That time is in good part over, nobody will see> > > > > > > Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not as the problem itself.> > > > > > > I also think that the word "peace" has lost that healing meaning that> > > > > > > it had until yesterday. The new non-ideological point of view sees> > > > > > > that there is no peace when one of the contenders doesn't want it, and> > > > > > > that even if the world in the short run asks for a truce, in the long> > > > > > > run requests a defeat of Hamas.> >> > > > > > > Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and Members of> > > > > > > Parliament, composed a very new, interesting puzzle of opinions. I> > > > > > > think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic thirdworldism, the> > > > > > > images of children educated as hate machines, the speeches of jihad> > > > > > > leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that deny the> > > > > > > holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians too, have on us a> > > > > > > result of great disgust. Westerners, thanks God, can still be> > > > > > > disgusted by an uncivilized level of political speech.- Hide quoted text -> >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -> >> > > --> > > Mark M. Kahle> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me> _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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