By simple logic. Obscurants are allowed in all areas frequented or occupied by combatants.
ALL areas frequented or occupied by combatants are open to attack. Hamas is attempting (actually it's gone beyond that) to use their own wives and kids (and those of everyone else) as shields in order raise the ire of people in the world against their "enemies" who refuse to be disuaded by the age old "chicken-shit" tactic. I say "chicken-shit" because it would not work without the cooperation of the populace in general as well. It is all about getting YOU to take their side for ANY reason by ANY means. In this case the passive and unforced human shield. It would seem to be working in your case. It seems you are pissed at the Israelis for targeting combatants that use their own populace as fodder. I am NOT in favor of the tactics of either side in this long and unending conflict but I am sure of a couple of things........ It is next to impossible to prove the negative (your points). Using and allowing themselves to be used as human shields is wrong (or are they ALL Hamas?). AND what Hamas tries to but can not forget, AND what is the craw in the throats of ALL the OTHER M.E. Moslem nations that won't allow Palestinians entrance regardless of why.... NO ONE has ever allowed the Palestinians as much freedom nor as many (basic reason for continuously stirring the pot) personal or public rights as Israel when they are not mis-behaving. A few of these rights are deeded land ownership, purely autonomous zones, work in Israel with all tax with-holdings sent to the Palestinian government, free health care in Israel (ever wonder why those Palestinian hospitals were not so hot to begin with?) Palestinian civilians, with the cooperation of Israel, have a much higher standard of living than any of their neighbors and this does not suit or please the powers that be in the fanatic Moslem world. On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > can you dispute an of the points i have made with facts? > > On Jan 16, 3:49 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > That's kinda funny, actually. I think this is very much like Mike, who > > will exaggerate, embellish or fabricate whatever is required to make > > his point. > > > > On Jan 16, 1:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That is just NOT true, It is very unlike you. > > > > > The phosphorous is allowed as an obscurant. There has been no proof of > > > TARGETING civilians. If the UN (my ex boss) does not want its camps > > > hit then they need to keep them free of combatants (it is one of their > > > responsibilities). > > > > > It is completely legal to target combatants regardless of where they > > > set up camp. This includes day care centers and schools and hospitals > > > and nursing homes. > > > > > On 1/16/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > the Jews have been using white phoperous on civilians which is a war > > > > crime and have been targeting civilians not to mention a UN refuge > > > > camp . > > > > > > On Jan 16, 11:36 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No, Mike, they are not. They have not used a single banned weapon or > > > > > tactic. > > > > > > > They have not targeted a single location that did not have > > > > > combatants. > > > > > > > There is no proof to the contrary. This can NOT be said for Hamas or > > > > > the Gazan people. > > > > > > > The fact that women and children are in the locations where the > > > > > Palestinian combatants set up shop speaks to the value they place on > > > > > their own people. It also shows the non-combatants basic intelligence > > > > > for staying with their women and children (or actually bringing them > > > > > to a site) when offensive or defensive posts are placed in their > > > > > midst. > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:54 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > why would i care what hamas's Ideology is ? > > > > > > it is the Jew's who are committing war crimes ! > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 9:59 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Ideological Era that anyone who oppose Western Imperialism > > > > > > > had to > > > > > > > be better is over... Even your Italian brethren sees the error of > > > > > > > this logic now... I will suggest that the Left in this Country > > > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > > crossed the line in uncivil and hateful speech over and over the > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > 8 years... In the end, their Ideology and Urban Myth history > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > also be rejected... > > > > > > > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/italian-parliamentarians-ra... > > > > > > > > > >>> This is an episode of the attack agains the western world, > > > > > > > >>> and Iran has a lot to do with it. > > > > > > > > > The change of attitude is great: the dictatorial religious nature > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of Israel are seen > > > > > > > face to > > > > > > > face for what they are at least by the European elite at large, > > > > > > > dead > > > > > > > and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an identification > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Israel against a regime that uses human shields and promises > > > > > > > slaughters of Jews in its charter. > > > > > > > > > What happens today, at least in Italy, is the defeat and fall of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > leftist ideologies: ideology has been the fig leaf that has > > > > > > > allowed to > > > > > > > justify all the most violent crimes and most disgusting verbal > > > > > > > attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist Intifada, if he > > > > > > > promoted the > > > > > > > martyrdom of children in public speeches, the ideologists were > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > to justify him with the issues of occupation, the Palestinian > > > > > > > misery > > > > > > > and loss of any hope. Not the same with Hamas. History, in Italy, > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > brought to a profound crisis the ideology of revolution and the > > > > > > > justification of any cruel attack against a pretended unjust > > > > > > > imperialist order. That time is in good part over, nobody will see > > > > > > > Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not as the problem > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > I also think that the word "peace" has lost that healing meaning > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it had until yesterday. The new non-ideological point of view sees > > > > > > > that there is no peace when one of the contenders doesn't want > > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > that even if the world in the short run asks for a truce, in the > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > run requests a defeat of Hamas. > > > > > > > > > Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and Members of > > > > > > > Parliament, composed a very new, interesting puzzle of opinions. I > > > > > > > think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic thirdworldism, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > images of children educated as hate machines, the speeches of > > > > > > > jihad > > > > > > > leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that deny the > > > > > > > holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians too, have on > > > > > > > us a > > > > > > > result of great disgust. Westerners, thanks God, can still be > > > > > > > disgusted by an uncivilized level of political speech.- Hide > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > Mark M. Kahle > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
