Obama will not authorize the release of the unabridged certificate under HRS 303. therefore there is no proof.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The dept of vital records > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------ > *From*: Mark > *Date*: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:52:48 -0600 > *To*: <[email protected]> > > *Subject*: Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama > Eligibility? > > There is no proof of that. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Maryam <[email protected]>wrote: > >> *He is a natural born citizen. His father is not. * >> >> * * >> >> *Thanks, * >> >> *~M* >> >> *www.problemfixed.info* >> >> * * >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:58 PM >> *To:* [email protected]; >> [email protected]; Southern by the Grace of God; >> [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama >> Eligibility? >> >> >> Well Is He, or Isn’t He? >> >> Paul >> Hollrah<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/authors/id.62/author_detail.asp> >> >> It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and >> as the weeks pass more and more people are asking, “Is Barack Obama really a >> natural born citizen of the United States? Is he eligible to serve as >> President, or isn’t he?” If he is, then so be it. We’ll just have to grit >> our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end… one way or >> another. >> >> But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a >> problem… a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the >> fabric of American society. >> >> Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, “No person >> except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President; >> neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have >> attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident >> within the United States.” >> >> That’s pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility >> that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many >> otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, “What difference does it >> make? The election’s over; the people have spoken. Get over it!” >> >> Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be >> satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To >> postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that >> Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous. Every new >> law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, >> every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and >> every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately >> become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that? >> >> The American people would quickly learn that it is not much easier to undo >> two or three years of history than it is to undo a decade or a century. It >> is imperative that we get to the bottom of this mystery as quickly as >> possible so that all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, can finally >> accept that, like it or not, Barack Obama is our president. In order to do >> that, and to force Obama to end his stubborn refusal to produce his birth >> certificate, his passports, his >> visas<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, >> and his college records, we must continue to recruit more and more Americans >> to insist that he do so. >> >> To do that, it is not necessary to prove that he was born in >> Kenya<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, >> not in >> Hawaii<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>… >> as his paternal grandmother, a Kenyan half-brother, and a Kenyan half-sister >> insist… or who his natural father may have been. The proof of Obama’s >> failure to meet the “natural born citizen” standard is much simpler than >> that. >> >> To convert a non-believer… one who insists that the Constitutional >> requirements must be met, but who believes that questions about Obama’s >> citizenship<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>status >> are nothing more than sour grapes… it is only necessary to establish >> the facts surrounding Obama’s >> travel<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>to >> Indonesia and Pakistan in the summer of 1981. >> >> Although Obama fails to mention that trip in either of his memoirs… not in >> *Dreams from My Father* and not in *The Audacity of Hope*… he made a >> potentially fatal error when he mentioned the Pakistan trip during an April >> 6, 2008 speech in San Francisco… the same speech in which he referred to >> rural Pennsylvanians as “bitter” people who “cling to guns or religion…” In >> that speech, Obama explained in an offhand manner the value of that trip, >> vis-à-vis his knowledge of foreign affairs, saying, “I knew what Sunni and >> Shia was (sic) before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.” >> >> When questioned about that trip, Obama’s campaign press secretary, Bill >> Burton, confirmed to the *New >> York<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>Times >> *, and others, that Obama had visited Pakistan in 1981 on his return from >> Indonesia, traveling there with a Pakistani friend from Occidental College, >> Wahid Hamid. According to Burton, Obama stayed in Karachi with the family of >> another Pakistani friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo. Obama has never mentioned >> the Pakistan trip again. >> >> So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan >> in 1981. What is not established, and what is critically important, is what >> passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities: Obama >> could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he >> and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have >> traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his >> Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born >> in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with >> a British passport. So which is it? >> >> Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under >> martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and >> Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the >> U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more >> valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry. >> >> So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without >> the price of a hotel >> room<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>in >> his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip >> just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, >> Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through >> Customs and >> Immigration<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>? >> The >> American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they >> *must* have answers. >> >> It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple >> one. >> >> Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? >> A: >> Yes, by his own admission. >> >> Q: What passport did he travel >> under? >> A: There are only three >> possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a >> British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. >> >> Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in >> 1981? A: No. It is not >> possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in >> 1981. >> >> Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either >> with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. >> >> If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that >> he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if >> he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that >> he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, >> prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. >> >> Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he >> managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. >> Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his >> speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to >> Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. >> >> Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he? It seems pretty clear from >> the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he >> should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he >> should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess >> he leaves behind. >> >> *FamilySecurityMatters.org <http://familysecuritymatters.org/>Contributing >> Editor Paul Hollrah is a Senior Fellow at the >> Lincoln<http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2014/pub_detail.asp>Heritage >> Institute. >> * >> >> >> >> 2009/3/19 <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp >> >> __._,_.___ >> >> Messages in this topic >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/message/140829;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bzRhc2tvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTcEdHBjSWQDMTQwODI5> >> (*1*) *Reply *(via web post) >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZmYxY2RuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=140829>| >> *Start a new topic >> *<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMzkwcmo0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNw--> >> >> Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWphMmNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNg--> >> >> APFN-1 YahooGroups: >> Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/join >> >> APFN MSG BOARD: >> `In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.' >> http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/149495.html >> >> APFN LIVE TV 24/7 >> http://www.apfn.org/tv.htm >> >> APFN MASTER AUDIO / VIDEO LIST: >> http://www.apfn.net/videos.asp >> >> "RADIO YOUR WAY" APFN POGO NETWORK (( WOW!! )) >> "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of >> good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson >> http://www.apfn.net/POGO.HTM >> >> Find elected officials, including the president, members of >> Congress, governors, state legislators, local officials, and more. >> http://congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/ >> >> APFN - SUPPORT / DONATIONS >> PMB 206, 7549 W. 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