Great opinions, but the law as written over rides opinion. If you are not going to read HRS 303 (hawaii revised statutes) regarding the contents of a COLB from Hawaii why are you conversing here ??
Obama also claims to have travelled to Pakistan and Indonesia in 1981. He could NOT do that at that time with a US passport. that would indicate he used a different one and that precludes his "natural born" status. Please do some homework. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Maryam <[email protected]> wrote: > *http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html * > > * * > > *Thanks, * > > *~M* > > *www.problemfixed.info* > > * * > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:34 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama > Eligibility? > > > > Obama will not authorize the release of the unabridged certificate under > HRS 303. therefore there is no proof. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > The dept of vital records > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > > *From*: Mark > *Date*: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:52:48 -0600 > *To*: <[email protected]> > > > *Subject*: Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama > Eligibility? > > There is no proof of that. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Maryam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > *He is a natural born citizen. His father is not. * > > * * > > *Thanks, * > > *~M* > > *www.problemfixed.info* > > * * > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:58 PM > *To:* [email protected]; > [email protected]; Southern by the Grace of God; > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama > Eligibility? > > > Well Is He, or Isn’t He? > > Paul > Hollrah<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/authors/id.62/author_detail.asp> > > It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and as > the weeks pass more and more people are asking, “Is Barack Obama really a > natural born citizen of the United States? Is he eligible to serve as > President, or isn’t he?” If he is, then so be it. We’ll just have to grit > our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end… one way or > another. > > But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a > problem… a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the > fabric of American society. > > Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, “No person > except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President; > neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have > attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident > within the United States.” > > That’s pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility > that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many > otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, “What difference does it > make? The election’s over; the people have spoken. Get over it!” > > Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be > satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To > postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that > Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous. Every new > law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, > every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and > every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately > become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that? > > The American people would quickly learn that it is not much easier to undo > two or three years of history than it is to undo a decade or a century. It > is imperative that we get to the bottom of this mystery as quickly as > possible so that all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, can finally > accept that, like it or not, Barack Obama is our president. In order to do > that, and to force Obama to end his stubborn refusal to produce his birth > certificate, his passports, his > visas<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, > and his college records, we must continue to recruit more and more Americans > to insist that he do so. > > To do that, it is not necessary to prove that he was born in > Kenya<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, > not in > Hawaii<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>… > as his paternal grandmother, a Kenyan half-brother, and a Kenyan half-sister > insist… or who his natural father may have been. The proof of Obama’s > failure to meet the “natural born citizen” standard is much simpler than > that. > > To convert a non-believer… one who insists that the Constitutional > requirements must be met, but who believes that questions about Obama’s > citizenship<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>status > are nothing more than sour grapes… it is only necessary to establish > the facts surrounding Obama’s > travel<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>to > Indonesia and Pakistan in the summer of 1981. > > Although Obama fails to mention that trip in either of his memoirs… not in > *Dreams from My Father* and not in *The Audacity of Hope*… he made a > potentially fatal error when he mentioned the Pakistan trip during an April > 6, 2008 speech in San Francisco… the same speech in which he referred to > rural Pennsylvanians as “bitter” people who “cling to guns or religion…” In > that speech, Obama explained in an offhand manner the value of that trip, > vis-à-vis his knowledge of foreign affairs, saying, “I knew what Sunni and > Shia was (sic) before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.” > > When questioned about that trip, Obama’s campaign press secretary, Bill > Burton, confirmed to the *New > York<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>Times > *, and others, that Obama had visited Pakistan in 1981 on his return from > Indonesia, traveling there with a Pakistani friend from Occidental College, > Wahid Hamid. According to Burton, Obama stayed in Karachi with the family of > another Pakistani friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo. Obama has never mentioned > the Pakistan trip again. > > So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan > in 1981. What is not established, and what is critically important, is what > passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities: Obama > could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he > and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have > traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his > Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born > in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with > a British passport. So which is it? > > Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under > martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and > Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the > U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more > valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry. > > So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without > the price of a hotel > room<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>in > his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip > just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, > Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through > Customs and > Immigration<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>? > The > American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they > *must* have answers. > > It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one. > > Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? > A: > Yes, by his own admission. > > Q: What passport did he travel > under? > A: There are only three > possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a > British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. > > Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in > 1981? A: No. It is not > possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in > 1981. > > Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either > with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. > > If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that > he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if > he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that > he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, > prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. > > Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he > managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. > Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his > speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to > Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. > > Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he? It seems pretty clear from the > available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should > minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should > simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he > leaves behind. > > *FamilySecurityMatters.org <http://familysecuritymatters.org/>Contributing > Editor Paul Hollrah is a Senior Fellow at the > Lincoln<http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2014/pub_detail.asp>Heritage > Institute. > * > > > > 2009/3/19 <[email protected]> > > > > > http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp > > __._,_.___ > > Messages in this topic > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/message/140829;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bzRhc2tvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTcEdHBjSWQDMTQwODI5> > (*1*) *Reply *(via web post) > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZmYxY2RuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=140829>| > *Start a new topic > *<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMzkwcmo0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNw--> > > Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWphMmNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNg--> > > APFN-1 YahooGroups: > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/join > > APFN MSG BOARD: > `In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.' > http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/149495.html > > APFN LIVE TV 24/7 > http://www.apfn.org/tv.htm > > APFN MASTER AUDIO / VIDEO LIST: > http://www.apfn.net/videos.asp > > "RADIO YOUR WAY" APFN POGO NETWORK (( WOW!! )) > "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of > good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson > http://www.apfn.net/POGO.HTM > > Find elected officials, including the president, members of > Congress, governors, state legislators, local officials, and more. > http://congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/ > > APFN - SUPPORT / DONATIONS > PMB 206, 7549 W. 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