I don't think anyone has denied what you have written SMR, but what you are failing to acknowledge is the crux of the argument:
"*Whether President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States."* Circumstantial evidence points to President Obama not being a natural born citizen, but in fact, he was most likely born in Kenya. The only thing that the articles we have posted here demonstrate, is that there is circumstantial evidence to support that President Obama and his family did not consider him to be a citizen of the United States when he was a youth, but instead, President Obama's family considered him to be a citizen of Indonesia. It also looks to appear that President Obama, at least during the 1980s, also did not consider himself to be a citizen of the United States, in that he very may well have been traveling around the world on an Indonesian Passport. Your research is all the more compelling to force the Courts and President Obama to produce the long form vault copy of his birth certificate. Again, this will be the definitive answer, and should silence all critics. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, smrstrauss <[email protected]> wrote: > > Re: "Your contention that a child cannot lose his citizenship through > his parents > acts is an absolute crock. Of course they can." > > Baloney! Cite a case. > > Here is the US State Department's site showing the causes of loss of > citizenship. Notice that use of a foreign passport is not one of them. > Nor is being adopted by someone. > > http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html > > Naturalization by a foreign country can be a cause, but the State > Department then says: > > "In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who: > > 1. is naturalized in a foreign country; > 2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state; > 3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in > hostilities with the United States, or > 4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government, > > and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit > prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement > or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such > an intent will be presumed. > > When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's > application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention > of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act > made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a) > (3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply > ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship > when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer > will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. > citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. > citizenship." > > Wikipedia notes: "In the wake of administrative practice changes > adopted by the U.S. Department of State during the mid 1990s, it is > now virtually impossible to lose one's citizenship without expressly > renouncing it before a U.S. consular officer." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Loss_of_citizenship > > In Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)[1], the Supreme Court ruled > that a United States citizen cannot be deprived of American > citizenship involuntarily.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Afroyim_v._Rusk) > > And there have been subsequent rulings that a child is not mature > enough to make the voluntary decision to renounce citizenship, nor can > the child's citizenship be taken away due to actions by parents. > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
