jgg, Right, that's what I said. We are a secular nation and not a theocracy.
On May 19, 8:48 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > Nor have we been a Secular nation without ties to deep Religious > roots... Unlike Europe, we conceive our right are from OUTSIDE of > men and their governments... Also we conceive the right of the public > to overthrow a government if the government is not preforming to > uphold those rights... > > On May 18, 6:03 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > KIT, > > > Of course liberals have a secular agenda, so far as our laws go. You > > say that as if it were a bad thing or something. We are not a > > theocracy, never have been. > > > On May 18, 4:07 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good Afternoon J.C.!! > > > > I agree with you, that there is absolutely no distinction between a > > > hateful > > > act bestowed upon a Gay individual because he is Gay, than there is > > > beating > > > or killing a Black, or Asian, or any other group or ethnicity, because > > > they > > > are a "Woman/Black/Gay/Asian/Hispanic"; etc., etc., etc. > > > > The distinction, is that there are already existing laws in all 50 states > > > to > > > punish violent crime, making this proposed Bill, H.R. 1913, *e.g.;* the > > > "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act"; and most of the time > > > referred to as the, "Matthew Shepard Act", unnecessary, unfair, > > > indefinable, > > > un-American and constitutionally suspect. > > > > Laws in civilized nations have always been designed to punish conduct, not > > > thought. H.R. 1913 is not designed to aid in crime fighting. Punishing > > > wrong > > > beliefs about homosexuality is the sole aim of H.R. 1913. > > > > H.R. 1913 is one more step in the campaign to legitimize homosexuality in > > > our culture by treating it as a protected class along with race, gender, > > > and > > > religion. The long term goal is to create one more platform from which to > > > eradicate wrong thinking about homosexuality. H.R. 1913 will undoubtedly > > > pave the way to legislation that will make thinking Biblically about > > > homosexuality a "hate crime." > > > > It is the goal of a number of far left extremists with a secularist > > > agenda, > > > and Antii-Christian groups who intend to use "provisions"; (*e.g.;* "loop > > > holes") in the proposed legislation to muzzle Churches from speaking out > > > on > > > Biblical standards of morality which are shared by most Americans. > > > Unnecessary lawsuits will bring a chilling effect to the free speech and > > > religious liberty of our churches and of our members. > > > > By example, the far left militant Gay organizations have outright lied > > > about > > > Matthew Shepard in the first place! These Gay militant organizations have > > > portrayed Shepard as being the victim of a hate crime. That he was > > > murdered > > > because he was Gay, which is simply untrue, yet these gay militant > > > organizations sill continue to parade such a falsehood, and the far left > > > extremist media, namely Keith Olberman and MSNBC continue to perpetrate > > > the > > > lie, and literally bash anyone who attempt to reveal the truth about > > > Shepard's murder!!! > > > > Check this out!! > > > >http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/30/abc-debunks-mat... > > > > Here is the real story on Matthew Shepard: > > > >http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=277685&page=3 > > > > This J.C., is what is wrong with the left, liberals, progressives, the > > > Democrat Party, and all that continue to fuel deceit and false hatred!!! > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM, J.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Once again, you are confusing true liberals with the whiny, spineless > > > > group who most commonly refer to themselves as democrats. If someone > > > > wants to use the word "nigger", he has that right under the first > > > > amendment, just like I have the right to tell that same person he is a > > > > classless idiot. > > > > > As for classifying homosexuals in terms of hate crimes, I think it > > > > should be done. There is a huge difference in preaching about > > > > homosexuality and going out and beating or killing someone because he > > > > or she is gay. To me, that is no different than beating someone > > > > because he or she is black, Asian, Hispanic, or in some cases, white. > > > > Do I have the right to censor you because you want to refer to someone > > > > as a faggot? No. But I still have the right to call you a classless > > > > idiot. > > > > > (And I mean that in the nicest of ways; I know you are the epitome of > > > > class.) > > > > > On May 18, 11:23 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Zeb!! Good to see ya!! > > > > > > Holly, I think that the inference, is that there are many, mostly from > > > > your > > > > > side of the aisle, who would like to instill these same restrictions > > > > > here > > > > in > > > > > the United States. Just recently, there was the "Matthew Shepard" > > > > > Act, > > > > > which was a little stipulation which would have included Gays in the > > > > "hate > > > > > crimes" provision. In essence, what this would have allowed, is the > > > > > potential civil or criminal prosecution of every denomination of > > > > > Church > > > > and > > > > > Jewish Synagogue, because of the teachings of the Bible. > > > > > > What Zeb was pointing out, is that those who believe themselves to be, > > > > "More > > > > > Tolerant, Kinder, Gentler, and More Enlightened"; (e.g.; far left > > > > radical > > > > > extremist Moonbats) have no problem bandying about the terms "Nazi" > > > > > or > > > > > "Fascist" when referencing conservatives who hold American principles > > > > > and > > > > > tenets dear.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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