People should be free to work and live where they like Just not to live off taxpayers
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > bruce, > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason they are coming > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here illegally. Send > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look for illegal > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more importantly > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that would be > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING of doing that > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in jail, fine them > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal activity of hiring > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few bucks if they > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? If i commit a > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and I'm caught and > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth would I NOT > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals from even > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. contracts for at > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do that to every > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or clean his pool > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, manufacturers, meat > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work American citizens > to fill those jobs. > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]> > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens > > > > *FORWARD FAR AND WIDE!* > > > > The solution to California's budget mess is simple: Stop anchor babies, > > stop taxpayer benefits to ILLEGAL aliens, and stop illegal immigration in > > California! We can no longer afford open borders! > > > > Sign the Petition now to Save California! > > *www.TaxpayerRevolution.org*<http://www.TaxpayerRevolution.org> > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story... > > > > <http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story.. > .> > > > > Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight > > The economic downturn has activists pushing for a measure that would > limit > > the services Californians provide. > > By Anna Gorman and Teresa Watanabe > > July 10, 2009 > > As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap that has now grown to > > $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many taxpayers is the cost > to > > the state of illegal immigrants. > > > > The question of whether taxpayers should provide services to illegal > > residents< > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/is-illegal-immigration-...> > > became > > a major political issue in California's last deep recession, culminating > in > > the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That history could repeat > > itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to illegal > immigration > > have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, among other > things, > > cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. > > Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because they are U.S. > > citizens. > > > > State welfare officials estimate that cutting off payments to illegal > > immigrants for their U.S.-born children could save about $640 million > > annually if it survives legal challenges. > > > > California has roughly 2.7 million illegal residents, according to an > April > > 2009 report from the authoritative Pew Hispanic Center, accounting for > about > > 7% of the state's population. State officials estimate that they add > between > > $4 billion and $6 billion in costs, primarily for prisons and jails, > schools > > and emergency rooms. Beyond those services, the illegal population adds > to > > the overall cost of other parts of local government, from police and fire > > protection to highway maintenance and libraries. > > > > On the other side of the ledger, illegal residents pay taxes -- sales > taxes > > on what they buy, gasoline taxes when they fuel their cars, property > taxes > > if they own homes. The total is hotly debated, although most researchers > > agree that the short-term costs to state and local government are bigger > > than the revenues. > > > > Many companies that hire illegal workers also withhold Social Security > and > > income taxes from their paychecks, based on workers' invalid Social > Security > > numbers. That money goes mostly to the federal government, not to > > localities. The Social Security Administration estimates that in 2007, > > illegal residents nationwide contributed a net of $12 billion to the > system. > > > > The largest costs to California's budget from its illegal residents are > in > > three areas: > > > > * Education: The state has no official count of how many students are in > the > > country illegally because school districts do not ask. But the state > > legislative analyst estimated, based on data from the Pew Hispanic > Center, > > that the state's 6.3 million public school students include about 300,000 > > illegal residents. At an annual cost of about $7,626 each, the total > comes > > to nearly $2.3 billion. > > > > * Prisons: In fiscal year 2009-10, California expects to spend about $834 > > million to incarcerate 19,000 illegal immigrants in the state's prisons. > In > > Los Angeles County, illegal immigrants add between $370 million and $550 > > million annually to criminal justice costs, including prosecution, > defense, > > probation and jails, according to Supervisor Mike Antonovich. > > > > * Healthcare: The expected state tab for healthcare in fiscal 2009-10 is > > $703 million for as many as 780,000 illegal immigrants. Of that, $486 > > million goes to emergency services. But low-income illegal residents are > > also eligible for some nonemergency health services, including prenatal > and > > postpartum care, abortions, breast and cervical cancer treatment and > certain > > types of long-term care, such as stays in nursing homes. Most of the > > nonemergency care for illegal immigrants was authorized by the > Legislature > > in the 1980s. > > > > Much of those costs are beyond the control of state officials. The U.S. > > Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that the Constitution forbids school > districts > > to turn away children who are illegal immigrants. And federal law > requires > > emergency rooms to treat everyone, regardless of citizenship. > > > > How serious a problem those costs are is a subject of constant debate. > "It > > is a catastrophic hit . . . on every level of government," Antonovich > said. > > > > State Sen. Denise Moreno Ducheny (D-San Diego) who heads the Senate > budget > > committee, counters that illegal immigrants are net contributors through > > their taxes and labor in farming and other industries. Cutting services > to > > illegal residents is "penny wise and pound foolish," Ducheny said. > > > > The Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, based in Palo > > Alto, has analyzed research on the costs of illegal immigration. Most > > studies show that at least in the short term, illegal immigrants, who > tend > > to be poorer and have more children than average, use more in public > > services than they contribute in taxes, the center found. > > > > But the center's director, Stephen Levy, said some of the long-term > effects > > were positive. Educating illegal immigrant children, for instance, helps > > them eventually land better jobs and higher salaries, benefiting > > Californians with increased tax payments and more sophisticated work > skills. > > > > Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said it is wrong to blame illegal > immigrants > > for the state's fiscal problems. He has, however, proposed to limit > welfare > > and nonemergency healthcare for illegal immigrants and their families. So > > far, the Legislature has rejected his plans. > > > > One of the governor's proposals would place a five-year limit on state > > welfare payments to the U.S.-citizen children of illegal immigrants. That > > would affect approximately 100,000 U.S.-born children in about 48,000 > > California households headed by illegal immigrants, who receive a monthly > > average of $472. The measure could save $77 million annually, according > to > > the governor's office. > > > > Under another proposal, the governor could commute the sentences of some > > illegal immigrant felons in state prisons and shift them to federal > > detention centers. It costs the state $48,000 to incarcerate a prisoner, > and > > the federal government reimburses about 12 cents on the dollar, according > to > > state finance officials. The administration estimates that commuting > > sentences of 8,500 felons, along with other sentencing changes, could > save > > $182 million, although other state analysts question that. > > > > State cuts in health services could shift costs to counties, some of > which > > have begun denying treatment to illegal immigrants to close their own > budget > > gaps. "It really is a punt," said Farra Bracht of the Legislative > Analyst's > > Office. "We just keep shoving more and more to the counties. . . . They > are > > the providers of truly last resort." > > > > Many state officials have called on the federal government to increase > the > > payments it makes to the state for costs associated with illegal > immigrants, > > because controlling the borders is a federal responsibility. So far, > > however, Washington lawmakers, faced with large deficits of their own, > have > > not been willing. > > > > And others say the nation's humanitarian traditions and long-term > interests > > compel extending a helping hand to people such as Delia Godinez. > > > > Godinez, a 43-year-old undocumented Mexican immigrant, left an abusive > > family and lives in transitional housing. Four of her five children are > > citizens and receive a total of about $650 each month from the state's > > CalWorks program. She also receives about $500 in federal food stamps and > > other vouchers. > > > > Without the aid, the unemployed Godinez said, she wouldn't be able to > > provide for her family. She is studying English and hopes one day to open > a > > business and get off welfare. > > > > "I don't want to be my whole life with that help," she said. > > > > Many advocates say the ultimate solution is to reduce illegal > immigration, > > not to cut off critical services that could jeopardize public health and > > safety. > > > > "When people come into the U.S., even illegally, they cross more than a > > physical barrier; they cross a moral barrier," said Steven Camarota of > the > > Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates > immigration > > restrictions. "We don't like it if someone can't go to the emergency > room. > > That's just our way." > > > > [image: FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! 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