KIT, Oh please. Both pissed in their pants and stated talking about "right and wrong" instead of obeying immigration laws. bruce started to cry about "people should be free to work and live where they like". Apparently he considers crossing the border illegally without proper papers to be a mere technicality. All the sudden these illegal immigrants became "visitors".
And just when did all this loving concern for the illegal immigrants begin? About one minute after I suggested that a good way to stop illegal immigration would be to dry up the jobs which they are coming here to obtain by applying significant punishment to the companies that illegally hire them. Let me guess which are the laws those two want lessened? Could it possibly be in the area of punishing corporations for breaking immigration laws to the extent of actually improving the situation? Tell me, just where in my post did I suggest ANYTHING other than deported captured illegal immigrants? Tell be where I argued with ANY of the posted stats concerning what you illegal immigrants cosy our society and tax-payers? WHERE? MY entire initial post consisted of only my suggestion on how to best and most quickly reduce and limit the illegal immigration problem. Then the lads all started screaming and crying. Rather nice attempt at diversion on your part. Now, what do you think of the proposal I laid out in the initial post. I mean as you are such an advocate of reading carefully and with thoroughness. Ciao On Jul 11, 8:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Holly, Holly, Holly....... > > As I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions, you should always read > the posts by thinking, well read, conservative Americans several times > before responding. > > Zeb and Bruce both are not advocating that laws be broken, or that illegal > immigrants should not be prosecuted. Just the opposite is true. Bruce, > and I imagine Zeb also concurs, would like to see much less laws in this > Nation, but that is getting off of the point of illegal immigration, and a > federal government who asked all Americans to forego their civil liberties > in the name of National Security, when at the same time, our federal > government refused to secure our national borders, allowing for anyone, to > include folks who frequently sport dirty laundry on their heads, to enter > our Nation, without any accountability. > > Further, Bruce, like most thinking Americans and all conservatives, finds it > repulsive that we, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for these illegal > aliens, predominately from Mexico, to include their health care, the > schooling of their children, their food subsidies, and their criminal > mischief and what that causes to our society both fiscally and socially. > > These are not racist sentiments, nor is there any of the conservatives that > I know of, who are Anti-Mexican. No one wants to curtail any individual or > their family from wanting to better themselves, their families, or to > prohibit anyone from prospering. Of course, it is hard for me to understand > why these folks are not in their own Nation demanding that a corrupt > government start addressing the poverty; the lack of services; the neglect > of an infrastructure, especially with a land that is ripe with natural > resources and a vibrant labor pool, but as most socialists and > liberals believe, these folks think that America owes them something, and I, > like many thinking, conservative Americans resent that. I tend to believe > that Bruce and Zeb do also. > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > bruce, > > > First thing I learned about the law was that in many cases it has > > nothing whatsoever to do with justice. You sound like a little kid > > crying to mama that "it's just not FAIR!!!". Check into Hotel Reality > > lad. > > I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, it saddens me > > somewhat to burst your little bubble. Oh yeah, and Santa Claus is also > > not real. > > > Tell me lad, who's version of "justice" would you like to measure > > everything against? > > > On Jul 11, 4:10 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes and as we all know law and justice are identical aren't they > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > bruce, > > > > > Yeah, they are called LAWS. Duuuuuuh..... > > > > Ya' think the FBI would give the slightest fuck if I were to decide I > > > > have the RIGHT to rob a bank? OR the INS if I think it's RIGHT to > > > > ignore our immigration laws? Feel free to do what you think is right > > > > lad, just be prepared to take the consequences if the law in this > > > > country runs counter to what you think is right. > > > > Guess what? Some radical Islamics think it is right and moral to > > > > strangle their daughter for wearing a mini-skirt. Here in St. Louis we > > > > called that murder and arrest your sorry ass. > > > > My, my, bruce defending Islamic nut-jobs because they are only doing > > > > what they think is right and moral. > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:49 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's a more abstract discussion than that Holly > > > > > You believe that what governments say is important and has something > > to > > > > do > > > > > with what is wrong or right > > > > > > You believe they are the source of rights > > > > > > You are wrong > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hollywood < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > When I visit Mexico I do it legally. It's not called a "visit" when > > > > > > you cross a border illegally. My, my look at all the conservatives > > > > > > defending illegal aliens and encouraging the violation of American > > law > > > > > > and sovereignty. What has suddenly happened to you lads? > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:33 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > States don't have a right to tell non-violent people where they > > can > > > > > > travel. > > > > > > > If someone invites them to visit they should be able to > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Hollywood < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien problem? > > You > > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration laws > > > > with > > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought you > > lads > > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and doing > > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason they > > are > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > > > > illegally. > > > > > > Send > > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look for > > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > > > > importantly > > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that would > > be > > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING of > > > > doing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in jail, > > fine > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal activity > > of > > > > > > hiring > > > > > > > > > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few > > bucks if > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? If > > i > > > > commit > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and I'm > > > > caught > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth > > would I > > > > NOT > > > > > > > > > > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals from > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. > > contracts > > > > for > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do that > > to > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or clean > > his > > > > pool > > > > > > > > > > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, > > > > manufacturers, > > > > > > meat > > > > > > > > > > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work American > > > > > > citizens > > > > > > > > > > to fill those jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens > > > > > > > > > > > > *FORWARD FAR AND WIDE!* > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution to California's budget mess is simple: Stop > > > > anchor > > > > > > > > babies, > > > > > > > > > > > stop taxpayer benefits to ILLEGAL aliens, and stop > > illegal > > > > > > > > immigration in > > > > > > > > > > > California! We can no longer afford open borders! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sign the Petition now to Save California! > > > > > > > > > > > *www.TaxpayerRevolution.org<http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/> > > *< > > > >http://www.TaxpayerRevolution.org<http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/>> > > > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story. > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story.. > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight > > > > > > > > > > > The economic downturn has activists pushing for a measure > > > > that > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > limit > > > > > > > > > > > the services Californians provide. > > > > > > > > > > > By Anna Gorman and Teresa Watanabe > > > > > > > > > > > July 10, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap that > > has > > > > now > > > > > > > > grown to > > > > > > > > > > > $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many > > taxpayers > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cost > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the state of illegal immigrants. > > > > > > > > > > > > The question of whether taxpayers should provide services > > to > > > > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > > residents< > > >http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/is-illegal-immigration-.. > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > a major political issue in California's last deep > > recession, > > > > > > > > culminating > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That > > history > > > > could > > > > > > > > repeat > > > > > > > > > > > itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to > > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > immigration > > > > > > > > > > > have launched a campaign for an initiative that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
