The larger problem are those aiding and abetting
both businesses & the " illegals ",ie; sanctuary cities, government
officials, churches,ACLU, LaRatza, and all the other cronies that bend
over to in effect gain both cheap labor, and cheap votes. These
people are stealing, cheating, and undermining those who have and/or
are trying to obtain citizenship legally. Those who support ' Illegal
immigration " are to feeble minded to understand what the definition
of " illegal " is and have no problem in wasting our TAX DOLLARS on
those who break the immigration laws. For the socialist democrats it
works well because an uneducated mass coming over the borders is
easier to control especially if you throw them in with the uneducated
masses in our urban cities. California is now suffering because of
such policies! The rest of the country will also feel the affects
these illegal activities have especially in a down economy like this
one, which Obama & company are about to destroy.
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On Jul 11, 10:22 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
> bruce,
>
> Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY.
> So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien problem? You
> WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration laws with
> no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought you lads
> were all about law & order, personal responsibility and doing
> something about unemployment. Guess not.
>
> On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > People should be free to work and live where they like
> > Just not to live off taxpayers
>
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > bruce,
>
> > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason they are coming
> > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here illegally. Send
> > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look for illegal
> > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more importantly
> > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that would be
> > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING of doing that
> > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in jail, fine them
> > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal activity of hiring
> > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few bucks if they
> > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? If i commit a
> > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and I'm caught and
> > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth would I NOT
> > > commit that crime again, first chance I got?
> > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals from even
> > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. contracts for at
> > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do that to every
> > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or clean his pool
> > > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, manufacturers, meat
> > > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work American citizens
> > > to fill those jobs.
>
> > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]>
> > > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM
> > > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens
>
> > > > *FORWARD FAR AND WIDE!*
>
> > > > The solution to California's budget mess is simple: Stop anchor babies,
> > > > stop taxpayer benefits to ILLEGAL aliens, and stop illegal immigration
> > > > in
> > > > California! We can no longer afford open borders!
>
> > > > Sign the Petition now to Save California!
> > > > *www.TaxpayerRevolution.org*<http://www.TaxpayerRevolution.org>
>
> > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story...
>
> > > > <http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story..
> > > .>
>
> > > > Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight
> > > > The economic downturn has activists pushing for a measure that would
> > > limit
> > > > the services Californians provide.
> > > > By Anna Gorman and Teresa Watanabe
> > > > July 10, 2009
> > > > As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap that has now grown
> > > > to
> > > > $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many taxpayers is the cost
> > > to
> > > > the state of illegal immigrants.
>
> > > > The question of whether taxpayers should provide services to illegal
> > > > residents<
> > >http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/is-illegal-immigration-...>
> > > > became
> > > > a major political issue in California's last deep recession, culminating
> > > in
> > > > the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That history could repeat
> > > > itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to illegal
> > > immigration
> > > > have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, among other
> > > things,
> > > > cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of illegal
> > > > immigrants.
> > > > Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because they are U.S.
> > > > citizens.
>
> > > > State welfare officials estimate that cutting off payments to illegal
> > > > immigrants for their U.S.-born children could save about $640 million
> > > > annually if it survives legal challenges.
>
> > > > California has roughly 2.7 million illegal residents, according to an
> > > April
> > > > 2009 report from the authoritative Pew Hispanic Center, accounting for
> > > about
> > > > 7% of the state's population. State officials estimate that they add
> > > between
> > > > $4 billion and $6 billion in costs, primarily for prisons and jails,
> > > schools
> > > > and emergency rooms. Beyond those services, the illegal population adds
> > > to
> > > > the overall cost of other parts of local government, from police and
> > > > fire
> > > > protection to highway maintenance and libraries.
>
> > > > On the other side of the ledger, illegal residents pay taxes -- sales
> > > taxes
> > > > on what they buy, gasoline taxes when they fuel their cars, property
> > > taxes
> > > > if they own homes. The total is hotly debated, although most researchers
> > > > agree that the short-term costs to state and local government are bigger
> > > > than the revenues.
>
> > > > Many companies that hire illegal workers also withhold Social Security
> > > and
> > > > income taxes from their paychecks, based on workers' invalid Social
> > > Security
> > > > numbers. That money goes mostly to the federal government, not to
> > > > localities. The Social Security Administration estimates that in 2007,
> > > > illegal residents nationwide contributed a net of $12 billion to the
> > > system.
>
> > > > The largest costs to California's budget from its illegal residents are
> > > in
> > > > three areas:
>
> > > > * Education: The state has no official count of how many students are in
> > > the
> > > > country illegally because school districts do not ask. But the state
> > > > legislative analyst estimated, based on data from the Pew Hispanic
> > > Center,
> > > > that the state's 6.3 million public school students include about
> > > > 300,000
> > > > illegal residents. At an annual cost of about $7,626 each, the total
> > > comes
> > > > to nearly $2.3 billion.
>
> > > > * Prisons: In fiscal year 2009-10, California expects to spend about
> > > > $834
> > > > million to incarcerate 19,000 illegal immigrants in the state's prisons.
> > > In
> > > > Los Angeles County, illegal immigrants add between $370 million and $550
> > > > million annually to criminal justice costs, including prosecution,
> > > defense,
> > > > probation and jails, according to Supervisor Mike Antonovich.
>
> > > > * Healthcare: The expected state tab for healthcare in fiscal 2009-10 is
> > > > $703 million for as many as 780,000 illegal immigrants. Of that, $486
> > > > million goes to emergency services. But low-income illegal residents are
> > > > also eligible for some nonemergency health services, including prenatal
> > > and
> > > > postpartum care, abortions, breast and cervical cancer treatment and
> > > certain
> > > > types of long-term care, such as stays in nursing homes. Most of the
> > > > nonemergency care for illegal immigrants was authorized by the
> > > Legislature
> > > > in the 1980s.
>
> > > > Much of those costs are beyond the control of state officials. The U.S.
> > > > Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that the Constitution forbids school
> > > districts
> > > > to turn away children who are illegal immigrants. And federal law
> > > requires
> > > > emergency rooms to treat everyone, regardless of citizenship.
>
> > > > How serious a problem those costs are is a subject of constant debate.
> > > "It
> > > > is a catastrophic hit . . . on every level of government," Antonovich
> > > said.
>
> > > > State Sen. Denise Moreno Ducheny (D-San Diego) who heads the Senate
> > > budget
> > > > committee, counters that illegal immigrants are net contributors through
> > > > their taxes and labor in farming and other industries. Cutting services
> > > to
> > > > illegal residents is "penny wise and pound foolish," Ducheny said.
>
> > > > The Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, based in Palo
> > > > Alto, has analyzed research on the costs of illegal immigration. Most
> > > > studies show that at least in the short term, illegal immigrants, who
> > > tend
> > > > to be poorer and have more children than average, use more in public
> > > > services than they contribute in taxes, the center found.
>
> > > > But the center's director, Stephen Levy, said some of the long-term
> > > effects
> > > > were positive. Educating illegal immigrant children, for instance, helps
> > > > them eventually land better jobs and higher salaries, benefiting
> > > > Californians with increased tax payments and more sophisticated work
> > > skills.
>
> > > > Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said it is wrong to blame illegal
> > > immigrants
> > > > for the state's fiscal problems. He has, however, proposed to limit
> > > welfare
> > > > and nonemergency healthcare for illegal immigrants and their families.
> > > > So
> > > > far, the Legislature has rejected his plans.
>
> > > > One of the governor's proposals would place a five-year limit on state
> > > > welfare payments to the U.S.-citizen children of illegal immigrants.
> > > > That
> > > > would affect approximately 100,000 U.S.-born children in about 48,000
> > > > California households headed by illegal immigrants, who receive a
> > > > monthly
> > > > average of $472. The measure could save $77 million annually, according
> > > to
> > > > the governor's office.
>
> > > > Under another proposal, the governor could commute the sentences of some
> > > > illegal immigrant felons in state prisons and shift them to federal
> > > > detention centers. It costs the state $48,000 to incarcerate a prisoner,
> > > and
> > > > the federal government reimburses about 12 cents on the dollar,
> > > > according
> > > to
> > > > state finance officials. The administration estimates that commuting
> > > > sentences of 8,500 felons, along with other sentencing changes, could
> > > save
> > > > $182 million, although other state analysts question that.
>
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