Frederick, Strange, isn't it? It's as if they feel an impulse they can't control to disagree with ANYTHING I say just because I am further to the left than they. I think they feel it is some sort of obligation. They don't even mind looking like fools.
On Jul 11, 11:39 pm, Frederick The Moderate <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith, I'm reading through this and it seems obvious you have a strong > bias toward anything Bruce and Zeb says (which surprisingly, for much > of the thread seemed to defend the illegal aliens) and against > anything Holly says - not to mention the condescending crap about > thinking carefully before responding to a Conservative. I mean, I was > blown away for a couple replies there because it was pretty obvious > Bruce was defending the illegals, just to be contentious. What exactly > do you think ANYONE (who wasn't totally in Bruce's camp, of course) > would interpret thse sentences to mean? > 1. In reply to Holly's suggestion that both the illegals and the > companies should be punished for breaking our immigration laws, Bruce > wrote: > "People should be free to work and live where they like " abd then > "States don't have a right to tell non-violent people where they can > travel. > If someone invites them to visit they should be able to" > > Now if you somehow interpret that to mean "People should NOT be free > to work and live where they like - if it's here and illegal; and > states DO have a right to tell ANYONE not to come to our country > illegally", then what you say has absolutely no credibility at all. > > As far as it even being "legal" for us to have immigration laws atall, Bruce > wrote: > > "You believe that what governments say is important and has something > to do > with what is wrong or right . You believe they are the source of > rights. You are wrong." > > So do you believe our government has no right to enforce immigration > laws? Or for that matter, any laws or rights? That they are or are not > "the source of" immigration rights? Bruce seems to have some pretty > strong opinions about whether something Obama is doing, is in > accordance with what our government says is right or wrong - and > defines as a right (therefore, being the "source") and whether or not > he has the "rights" to do them. But I guess in his opinion, the rights > of governments are valid only when convenient to him and never when a > "liberal" condones them. > > I guess you could go with a cop out like, this was some deep, esoteric > bullshit but really, Bruce was just being Bruce: babbling crap that > even he doesn't believe applies in this case, just so he could > disagree with someone further left than himself (i.e. not actually > wearing a swastika on his arm). > Whereas, I thought you to be a bit more insightful and objective. > Perhaps I overestimated... > > On Jul 11, 6:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly....... > > > As I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions, you should always read > > the posts by thinking, well read, conservative Americans several times > > before responding. > > > Zeb and Bruce both are not advocating that laws be broken, or that illegal > > immigrants should not be prosecuted. Just the opposite is true. Bruce, > > and I imagine Zeb also concurs, would like to see much less laws in this > > Nation, but that is getting off of the point of illegal immigration, and a > > federal government who asked all Americans to forego their civil liberties > > in the name of National Security, when at the same time, our federal > > government refused to secure our national borders, allowing for anyone, to > > include folks who frequently sport dirty laundry on their heads, to enter > > our Nation, without any accountability. > > > Further, Bruce, like most thinking Americans and all conservatives, finds it > > repulsive that we, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for these illegal > > aliens, predominately from Mexico, to include their health care, the > > schooling of their children, their food subsidies, and their criminal > > mischief and what that causes to our society both fiscally and socially. > > > These are not racist sentiments, nor is there any of the conservatives that > > I know of, who are Anti-Mexican. No one wants to curtail any individual or > > their family from wanting to better themselves, their families, or to > > prohibit anyone from prospering. Of course, it is hard for me to understand > > why these folks are not in their own Nation demanding that a corrupt > > government start addressing the poverty; the lack of services; the neglect > > of an infrastructure, especially with a land that is ripe with natural > > resources and a vibrant labor pool, but as most socialists and > > liberals believe, these folks think that America owes them something, and I, > > like many thinking, conservative Americans resent that. I tend to believe > > that Bruce and Zeb do also. > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Hollywood > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > bruce, > > > > First thing I learned about the law was that in many cases it has > > > nothing whatsoever to do with justice. You sound like a little kid > > > crying to mama that "it's just not FAIR!!!". Check into Hotel Reality > > > lad. > > > I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, it saddens me > > > somewhat to burst your little bubble. Oh yeah, and Santa Claus is also > > > not real. > > > > Tell me lad, who's version of "justice" would you like to measure > > > everything against? > > > > On Jul 11, 4:10 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes and as we all know law and justice are identical aren't they > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > Yeah, they are called LAWS. Duuuuuuh..... > > > > > Ya' think the FBI would give the slightest fuck if I were to decide I > > > > > have the RIGHT to rob a bank? OR the INS if I think it's RIGHT to > > > > > ignore our immigration laws? Feel free to do what you think is right > > > > > lad, just be prepared to take the consequences if the law in this > > > > > country runs counter to what you think is right. > > > > > Guess what? Some radical Islamics think it is right and moral to > > > > > strangle their daughter for wearing a mini-skirt. Here in St. Louis we > > > > > called that murder and arrest your sorry ass. > > > > > My, my, bruce defending Islamic nut-jobs because they are only doing > > > > > what they think is right and moral. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:49 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It's a more abstract discussion than that Holly > > > > > > You believe that what governments say is important and has something > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > with what is wrong or right > > > > > > > You believe they are the source of rights > > > > > > > You are wrong > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > When I visit Mexico I do it legally. It's not called a "visit" > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you cross a border illegally. My, my look at all the conservatives > > > > > > > defending illegal aliens and encouraging the violation of American > > > law > > > > > > > and sovereignty. What has suddenly happened to you lads? > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:33 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > States don't have a right to tell non-violent people where they > > > can > > > > > > > travel. > > > > > > > > If someone invites them to visit they should be able to > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien problem? > > > You > > > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration > > > > > > > > > laws > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought you > > > lads > > > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and doing > > > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason they > > > are > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > > > > > illegally. > > > > > > > Send > > > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look for > > > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > > > > > importantly > > > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that would > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING of > > > > > doing > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in jail, > > > fine > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal activity > > > of > > > > > > > hiring > > > > > > > > > > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few > > > bucks if > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? If > > > i > > > > > commit > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and I'm > > > > > caught > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth > > > would I > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > > > > > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. > > > contracts > > > > > for > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > to > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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