I don't think you have a grip on the distinction between law and justice,law and rights, or law and morality
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > bruce, > > No one claimed it was immoral. Only that it's against existing U.S. > immigration laws. Have you not been paying attention again? > > > On Jul 12, 9:55 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > Banks actually offer accounts to illegal aliens, but do not welcome in > > violent criminals > > The analogy below fails > > > > If I have a farm and invite "illegal" "aliens" to work on it that isn't > > immoral and the government that attempts to prevent this consensual > > nonviolent act is violating our rights > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lets put it at your level of comprehension LAD! > > > People all know there is money in the banks to be had and if they rob > > > it they will be better off economically. However; banks do not invite > > > people in to rob them only to come in and conduct business legally. It > > > is the " illegal aliens" who steal, lie & cheat their way in this > > > country with their own legs & own will. Now if they come in " legally > > > " like other immigrants do than there is no problem because they did > > > not come into the country " illegally ". The problem on this thread > > > is that some are able to differentiate between " legal " and " > > > illegal " and others like you, enablers, cohorts, etc; are not able to > > > do so. There is ideology and then there is reality; reality trumps > > > ideology every time. The reality being that there are millions of " > > > illegal immigrants " who are causing unjust burdens on other citizens > > > in this country to which the rest of us have to pay for. They are in > > > affect robbing the bank and are assisted by said enablers, > > > cohorts,ie., ACLU. LaRatza, congress, sanctuary cities.....et al . > > > Everyone knows that you take care of your legal business at the bank > > > and then you get the hell out. No rational bank manager will let you > > > set up camp . > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:36 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sage2, > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > Please expalin where I said "only business"? Why is there such a > > > > frantic attempt to deflect any sort of responsibility for this > problem > > > > from "business"? Why the attempt to talk about any one EXCEPT > > > > business? If you wish to claim I want to talk about only business > what > > > > would be irrational about my claiming you wish to talk about anyone > > > > EXCEPT "business"? > > > > > > Why are not businesses that attract , hire and protect illegals also > > > > described as "maggots"? Tell you what, you include American > > > > corporations in that list of "enabling maggots" and I will agree with > > > > you. But you won't, will you? > > > > Tell me where i attempted to defend any of those organizations you > > > > mentioned, concerning the illegal alien issue. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:03 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > Your attempt was to put the problem of "enabling" > > > > > illegal immigration only @ businesses , but you failed to mention > the > > > > > other enablers in government most of whom are Democrats. How about > > > > > the ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union ), LaRatza ( I smell a > > > > > ratz ) , the sanctuary cities like San Fransisco, New Haven and all > > > > > the other maggot enablers who think that Mexican Alien Immigrants > and > > > > > their likes have a right to perpetrate crimes and cheat, steal & > lie > > > > > their way in over other immigrants trying to get in legally. > Another > > > > > great attempt at stop & spin though LAD ! > > > > > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:24 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sage2, > > > > > > > > You are correct of course. I assume that the companies that hire > them > > > > > > must of course be listed as among the cohorts and defenders of > > > illegal > > > > > > aliens. Correct? Are you familiar with the term "enabling"? > > > > > > > > Sorry lad, I do not own a Urban Dictionary. I assume you have > some > > > > > > objection to the terms "illegal alieb" and/or illegal > immigration"? > > > If > > > > > > so, tough shit, you know full well what I mean. > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:05 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not only are the " illegal aliens " > guilty > > > of > > > > > > > " illegal immigration " but they and their cohorts & defenders > are > > > > > > > also guilty of insolence. They have no respect for the the > > > injustice > > > > > > > they perpetrate against all Americans and all the hard working > > > > > > > immigrants who come to make their new life in this country > legally. > > > Of > > > > > > > course they do not acknowledge the injustice because they are > > > unable > > > > > > > to comprehend the definitions of either the words legal or > illegal. > > > to > > > > > > > much reliance on the URBAN DICTIONARY. Right Holly ?? > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:19 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The larger problem are those aiding and > > > abetting > > > > > > > > both businesses & the " illegals ",ie; sanctuary cities, > > > government > > > > > > > > officials, churches,ACLU, LaRatza, and all the other cronies > that > > > bend > > > > > > > > over to in effect gain both cheap labor, and cheap votes. > These > > > > > > > > people are stealing, cheating, and undermining those who have > > > and/or > > > > > > > > are trying to obtain citizenship legally. Those who support > ' > > > Illegal > > > > > > > > immigration " are to feeble minded to understand what the > > > definition > > > > > > > > of " illegal " is and have no problem in wasting our TAX > DOLLARS > > > on > > > > > > > > those who break the immigration laws. For the socialist > democrats > > > it > > > > > > > > works well because an uneducated mass coming over the borders > is > > > > > > > > easier to control especially if you throw them in with the > > > uneducated > > > > > > > > masses in our urban cities. California is now suffering > because > > > of > > > > > > > > such policies! The rest of the country will also feel the > > > affects > > > > > > > > these illegal activities have especially in a down economy > like > > > this > > > > > > > > one, which Obama & company are about to destroy. > > > > > > *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:22 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien > problem? > > > You > > > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration > laws > > > with > > > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought > you > > > lads > > > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and > doing > > > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason > they > > > are coming > > > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > > > illegally. Send > > > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look > for > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > > > importantly > > > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that > would > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING > of > > > doing that > > > > > > > > > > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in > jail, > > > fine them > > > > > > > > > > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal > activity > > > of hiring > > > > > > > > > > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few > > > bucks if they > > > > > > > > > > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? > If > > > i commit a > > > > > > > > > > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and > I'm > > > caught and > > > > > > > > > > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth > > > would I NOT > > > > > > > > > > > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals > from > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. > > > contracts for at > > > > > > > > > > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do > that > > > to every > > > > > > > > > > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or > clean > > > his pool > > > > > > > > > > > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, > > > manufacturers, meat > > > > > > > > > > > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work > American > > > citizens > > > > > > > > > > > to fill those jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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