Banks actually offer accounts to illegal aliens, but do not welcome in violent criminals The analogy below fails
If I have a farm and invite "illegal" "aliens" to work on it that isn't immoral and the government that attempts to prevent this consensual nonviolent act is violating our rights On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lets put it at your level of comprehension LAD! > People all know there is money in the banks to be had and if they rob > it they will be better off economically. However; banks do not invite > people in to rob them only to come in and conduct business legally. It > is the " illegal aliens" who steal, lie & cheat their way in this > country with their own legs & own will. Now if they come in " legally > " like other immigrants do than there is no problem because they did > not come into the country " illegally ". The problem on this thread > is that some are able to differentiate between " legal " and " > illegal " and others like you, enablers, cohorts, etc; are not able to > do so. There is ideology and then there is reality; reality trumps > ideology every time. The reality being that there are millions of " > illegal immigrants " who are causing unjust burdens on other citizens > in this country to which the rest of us have to pay for. They are in > affect robbing the bank and are assisted by said enablers, > cohorts,ie., ACLU. LaRatza, congress, sanctuary cities.....et al . > Everyone knows that you take care of your legal business at the bank > and then you get the hell out. No rational bank manager will let you > set up camp . > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > On Jul 11, 11:36 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sage2, > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please expalin where I said "only business"? Why is there such a > > frantic attempt to deflect any sort of responsibility for this problem > > from "business"? Why the attempt to talk about any one EXCEPT > > business? If you wish to claim I want to talk about only business what > > would be irrational about my claiming you wish to talk about anyone > > EXCEPT "business"? > > > > Why are not businesses that attract , hire and protect illegals also > > described as "maggots"? Tell you what, you include American > > corporations in that list of "enabling maggots" and I will agree with > > you. But you won't, will you? > > Tell me where i attempted to defend any of those organizations you > > mentioned, concerning the illegal alien issue. > > > > On Jul 11, 10:03 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > Your attempt was to put the problem of "enabling" > > > illegal immigration only @ businesses , but you failed to mention the > > > other enablers in government most of whom are Democrats. How about > > > the ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union ), LaRatza ( I smell a > > > ratz ) , the sanctuary cities like San Fransisco, New Haven and all > > > the other maggot enablers who think that Mexican Alien Immigrants and > > > their likes have a right to perpetrate crimes and cheat, steal & lie > > > their way in over other immigrants trying to get in legally. Another > > > great attempt at stop & spin though LAD ! > > > > > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:24 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Sage2, > > > > > > You are correct of course. I assume that the companies that hire them > > > > must of course be listed as among the cohorts and defenders of > illegal > > > > aliens. Correct? Are you familiar with the term "enabling"? > > > > > > Sorry lad, I do not own a Urban Dictionary. I assume you have some > > > > objection to the terms "illegal alieb" and/or illegal immigration"? > If > > > > so, tough shit, you know full well what I mean. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:05 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Not only are the " illegal aliens " guilty > of > > > > > " illegal immigration " but they and their cohorts & defenders are > > > > > also guilty of insolence. They have no respect for the the > injustice > > > > > they perpetrate against all Americans and all the hard working > > > > > immigrants who come to make their new life in this country legally. > Of > > > > > course they do not acknowledge the injustice because they are > unable > > > > > to comprehend the definitions of either the words legal or illegal. > to > > > > > much reliance on the URBAN DICTIONARY. Right Holly ?? > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:19 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The larger problem are those aiding and > abetting > > > > > > both businesses & the " illegals ",ie; sanctuary cities, > government > > > > > > officials, churches,ACLU, LaRatza, and all the other cronies that > bend > > > > > > over to in effect gain both cheap labor, and cheap votes. These > > > > > > people are stealing, cheating, and undermining those who have > and/or > > > > > > are trying to obtain citizenship legally. Those who support ' > Illegal > > > > > > immigration " are to feeble minded to understand what the > definition > > > > > > of " illegal " is and have no problem in wasting our TAX DOLLARS > on > > > > > > those who break the immigration laws. For the socialist democrats > it > > > > > > works well because an uneducated mass coming over the borders is > > > > > > easier to control especially if you throw them in with the > uneducated > > > > > > masses in our urban cities. California is now suffering because > of > > > > > > such policies! The rest of the country will also feel the > affects > > > > > > these illegal activities have especially in a down economy like > this > > > > > > one, which Obama & company are about to destroy. > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:22 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien problem? > You > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration laws > with > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought you > lads > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and doing > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason they > are coming > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > illegally. Send > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look for > illegal > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > importantly > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that would > be > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING of > doing that > > > > > > > > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in jail, > fine them > > > > > > > > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal activity > of hiring > > > > > > > > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few > bucks if they > > > > > > > > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? If > i commit a > > > > > > > > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and I'm > caught and > > > > > > > > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth > would I NOT > > > > > > > > > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals from > even > > > > > > > > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. > contracts for at > > > > > > > > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do that > to every > > > > > > > > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or clean > his pool > > > > > > > > > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, > manufacturers, meat > > > > > > > > > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work American > citizens > > > > > > > > > to fill those jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens > > > > > > > > > > > > *FORWARD FAR AND WIDE!* > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution to California's budget mess is simple: Stop > anchor babies, > > > > > > > > > > stop taxpayer benefits to ILLEGAL aliens, and stop > illegal immigration in > > > > > > > > > > California! We can no longer afford open borders! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sign the Petition now to Save California! > > > > > > > > > > *www.TaxpayerRevolution.org*< > http://www.TaxpayerRevolution.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story... > > > > > > > > > > > > < > http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-illegal10-2009jul10,0,4951833.story.. > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight > > > > > > > > > > The economic downturn has activists pushing for a measure > that would > > > > > > > > > limit > > > > > > > > > > the services Californians provide. > > > > > > > > > > By Anna Gorman and Teresa Watanabe > > > > > > > > > > July 10, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap that > has now grown to > > > > > > > > > > $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many > taxpayers is the cost > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the state of illegal immigrants. > > > > > > > > > > > > The question of whether taxpayers should provide services > to illegal > > > > > > > > > > residents< > > > > > > > > > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/is-illegal-immigration-...> > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > a major political issue in California's last deep > recession, culminating > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That > history could repeat > > > > > > > > > > itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to > illegal > > > > > > > > > immigration > > > > > > > > > > have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, > among other > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of > illegal immigrants. > > > > > > > > > > Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because > they are U.S. > > > > > > > > > > citizens. > > > > > > > > > > > > State welfare officials estimate that cutting off > payments to illegal > > > > > > > > > > immigrants for their U.S.-born children could save about > $640 million > > > > > > > > > > annually if it survives legal challenges. > > > > > > > > > > > > California has roughly 2.7 million illegal residents, > according to an > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > 2009 report from the authoritative Pew Hispanic Center, > accounting for > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > 7% of the state's population. State officials estimate > that they add > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > $4 billion and $6 billion in costs, primarily for prisons > and jails, > > > > > > > > > schools > > > > > > > > > > and emergency rooms. Beyond those services, the illegal > population adds > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the overall cost of other parts of > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
