bruce, So, you think that people from Mexico should be free to cross our borders with no interference from our govt.? No passports, no ID, no nothing.. And of course, following your logic, boatloads of Cubans, etc. And, of course, you have no worries whatsoever than violent enemies of ours might take advantage of this open and unprotected borders policy?
"Any place he is welcome"? Welcome by WHO? The state or federal govt.? His cousin Rudolpho in Chicago? The owner of a chicken processing plant in Arkansas? You are soooooooo full of shit. On Jul 12, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > Fred you are so far out of your depth as usual that you have no idea what > anyone is even saying > You are a laughingstock again > > Most everything I say is based on the principle that each individual own > himself and is not to be enslaved by others, and thus should have freedom of > movement to go any place he is welcome without government interference > > I realize you have almost no ability to think abstractly, which is why you > cannot understand what is going on in these threads > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Frederick The Moderate < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Keith, I'm reading through this and it seems obvious you have a strong > > bias toward anything Bruce and Zeb says (which surprisingly, for much > > of the thread seemed to defend the illegal aliens) and against > > anything Holly says - not to mention the condescending crap about > > thinking carefully before responding to a Conservative. I mean, I was > > blown away for a couple replies there because it was pretty obvious > > Bruce was defending the illegals, just to be contentious. What exactly > > do you think ANYONE (who wasn't totally in Bruce's camp, of course) > > would interpret thse sentences to mean? > > 1. In reply to Holly's suggestion that both the illegals and the > > companies should be punished for breaking our immigration laws, Bruce > > wrote: > > "People should be free to work and live where they like " abd then > > "States don't have a right to tell non-violent people where they can > > travel. > > If someone invites them to visit they should be able to" > > > Now if you somehow interpret that to mean "People should NOT be free > > to work and live where they like - if it's here and illegal; and > > states DO have a right to tell ANYONE not to come to our country > > illegally", then what you say has absolutely no credibility at all. > > > As far as it even being "legal" for us to have immigration laws at > > all, Bruce wrote: > > "You believe that what governments say is important and has something > > to do > > with what is wrong or right . You believe they are the source of > > rights. You are wrong." > > > So do you believe our government has no right to enforce immigration > > laws? Or for that matter, any laws or rights? That they are or are not > > "the source of" immigration rights? Bruce seems to have some pretty > > strong opinions about whether something Obama is doing, is in > > accordance with what our government says is right or wrong - and > > defines as a right (therefore, being the "source") and whether or not > > he has the "rights" to do them. But I guess in his opinion, the rights > > of governments are valid only when convenient to him and never when a > > "liberal" condones them. > > > I guess you could go with a cop out like, this was some deep, esoteric > > bullshit but really, Bruce was just being Bruce: babbling crap that > > even he doesn't believe applies in this case, just so he could > > disagree with someone further left than himself (i.e. not actually > > wearing a swastika on his arm). > > Whereas, I thought you to be a bit more insightful and objective. > > Perhaps I overestimated... > > > On Jul 11, 6:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Holly, Holly, Holly....... > > > > As I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions, you should always > > read > > > the posts by thinking, well read, conservative Americans several times > > > before responding. > > > > Zeb and Bruce both are not advocating that laws be broken, or that > > illegal > > > immigrants should not be prosecuted. Just the opposite is true. Bruce, > > > and I imagine Zeb also concurs, would like to see much less laws in this > > > Nation, but that is getting off of the point of illegal immigration, and > > a > > > federal government who asked all Americans to forego their civil > > liberties > > > in the name of National Security, when at the same time, our federal > > > government refused to secure our national borders, allowing for anyone, > > to > > > include folks who frequently sport dirty laundry on their heads, to enter > > > our Nation, without any accountability. > > > > Further, Bruce, like most thinking Americans and all conservatives, finds > > it > > > repulsive that we, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for these illegal > > > aliens, predominately from Mexico, to include their health care, the > > > schooling of their children, their food subsidies, and their criminal > > > mischief and what that causes to our society both fiscally and socially. > > > > These are not racist sentiments, nor is there any of the conservatives > > that > > > I know of, who are Anti-Mexican. No one wants to curtail any individual > > or > > > their family from wanting to better themselves, their families, or to > > > prohibit anyone from prospering. Of course, it is hard for me to > > understand > > > why these folks are not in their own Nation demanding that a corrupt > > > government start addressing the poverty; the lack of services; the > > neglect > > > of an infrastructure, especially with a land that is ripe with natural > > > resources and a vibrant labor pool, but as most socialists and > > > liberals believe, these folks think that America owes them something, and > > I, > > > like many thinking, conservative Americans resent that. I tend to > > believe > > > that Bruce and Zeb do also. > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > bruce, > > > > > First thing I learned about the law was that in many cases it has > > > > nothing whatsoever to do with justice. You sound like a little kid > > > > crying to mama that "it's just not FAIR!!!". Check into Hotel Reality > > > > lad. > > > > I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, it saddens me > > > > somewhat to burst your little bubble. Oh yeah, and Santa Claus is also > > > > not real. > > > > > Tell me lad, who's version of "justice" would you like to measure > > > > everything against? > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:10 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes and as we all know law and justice are identical aren't they > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Hollywood < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > Yeah, they are called LAWS. Duuuuuuh..... > > > > > > Ya' think the FBI would give the slightest fuck if I were to decide > > I > > > > > > have the RIGHT to rob a bank? OR the INS if I think it's RIGHT to > > > > > > ignore our immigration laws? Feel free to do what you think is > > right > > > > > > lad, just be prepared to take the consequences if the law in this > > > > > > country runs counter to what you think is right. > > > > > > Guess what? Some radical Islamics think it is right and moral to > > > > > > strangle their daughter for wearing a mini-skirt. Here in St. Louis > > we > > > > > > called that murder and arrest your sorry ass. > > > > > > My, my, bruce defending Islamic nut-jobs because they are only > > doing > > > > > > what they think is right and moral. > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:49 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a more abstract discussion than that Holly > > > > > > > You believe that what governments say is important and has > > something > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > with what is wrong or right > > > > > > > > You believe they are the source of rights > > > > > > > > You are wrong > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hollywood < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > When I visit Mexico I do it legally. It's not called a "visit" > > when > > > > > > > > you cross a border illegally. My, my look at all the > > conservatives > > > > > > > > defending illegal aliens and encouraging the violation of > > American > > > > law > > > > > > > > and sovereignty. What has suddenly happened to you lads? > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:33 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > States don't have a right to tell non-violent people where > > they > > > > can > > > > > > > > travel. > > > > > > > > > If someone invites them to visit they should be able to > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien > > problem? > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration > > laws > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought > > you > > > > lads > > > > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and > > doing > > > > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > > > > > > illegally. > > > > > > > > Send > > > > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look > > for > > > > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > > > > > > importantly > > > > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING > > of > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > again. Throw > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
