I'm not a big fan of the UN. Its building in NYC should be turned into a casino/resort. On the other hand, its diplomats probably support most of the high end restaurants and caterers in the city. I also dated a girl from the Dutch embassy for a while, so I shouldn't complain.
On Jul 13, 12:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > This is true Zeb, but we have abstained on numerous occasions in the > Security Council. Just as important, there have been measures, in > particular, Resolution 242 and 343, that we did not hold Israel's feet to > the fire, (e.g.; the creation of a Palestinian State) that have not come to > pass. > > With regard to the Nicaraguan matter, these were not Resolutions, but > decisions from the World Court which we ignored and/or did not comply with. > > I am not suggesting that we should have complied with these measures, by > example, the ruling by the Hague regarding the prosecution of individuals > that could have potentially encompassed members of our military, was just > flat out wrong, and all Americans should have/would have been up in arms had > our government agreed to such stipulations, (or at least thinking Americans > I should say)...... > > My only point is that we do pick and choose what UN directives we are going > to follow, and rightfully so. > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We have no need to ignore UN resolutions. We are one of five permanent > > members of the UN Security Council. > > > From Wikipedia: > > > The United Nations Security Council 'power of veto' refers to the veto > > power wielded solely by the five permanent members of the United > > Nations Security Council,[1] enabling them to prevent the adoption of > > any 'substantive' draft Council resolution, regardless of the level of > > international support for the draft. > > > On Jul 13, 11:50 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > As much as I hate to admit it, Holly is correct on this one. The list is > > > endless.....We could start by the thousands of U.N. Resolutions which > > both > > > Israel and the United States have ignored; (Resolution 242 and 343 being > > the > > > most glaring examples!!); and Mark loves to bring up those little U.N. > > > ditties from the early to mid 1980s centering around Nicaragua....About > > ten > > > years ago, we pretty much told the U.N. to stick it when it came to the > > > World Court and the potential prosecution of American servicemen, (I > > forget > > > the actual resolution number) > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Such as? > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:28 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > chiro, > > > > > > Oh please, we happily ignore any U.N. resolution we find inconvient. > > > > > > On Jul 12, 9:25 am, chirpinginnc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Iraq war. There was no resolution to use force as is REQUIRED. > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > Wrong. Why do people continue to repeat this lie years later when > > > > > > they've been provided with the resolution again and again? Do they > > > > > > think that if they say it often enough it will become true? > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 4:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Iraq war. There was no resolution to use force as is > > REQUIRED. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM, dick thompson < > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Examples?? And don't try to pull Kyoto because that was never > > > > approved by > > > > > > > > the Senate and the last Geneva Accord was not approved either. > > > > > > > > > THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bush did not implement treaties he broke them without > > Congressional > > > > > > > > approval. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 11:55 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How is this like what Bush did. Bush did not implement a > > treaty > > > > without > > > > > > > > the approval of the Senate first. That is what Obama is trying > > to > > > > do. > > > > > > > > Suppose he implements it and the Senate votes it down. Then > > what > > > > happens. > > > > > > > > > Frederick The Moderate wrote: > > > > > > > > > It seems the Dems are now doing exactly what Bush did - except > > it's > > > > > > > > the GOP who's compaining this time. Now if Obama starts telling > > us > > > > how > > > > > > > > "We absolutely must do this right away or they will blow us all > > up > > > > > > > > with WMDs!", he will have completed his journey to the Dark > > Side of > > > > > > > > the Force. > > > > > > > > > I don't like the smell of it but will wait to see if they > > actually > > > > try > > > > > > > > it, before getting to rattled... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 9:14 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sounds right to me. I don't see where the president can just > > make > > > > the > > > > > > > > treaty without the consent of the US Senate. If I remember > > right > > > > it > > > > > > > > takes both of them to approve the treaties. It is not really a > > > > done > > > > > > > > deal if the president signs it unless the senate also approves > > it. > > > > > > > > Guess they forgot that one. Of course they also tried to > > forget > > > > that > > > > > > > > when it came to Kyoto for a while as the Dems tried to force > > the US > > > > to > > > > > > > > implement a treaty that the Senate never ratified. Looks like > > > > another > > > > > > > > one coming along. > > > > > > > > > *The Constitution Imposes Severe Limits On A President's > > > > Treaty-Making > > > > > > > > Powers: * Here's the relevant section< > > > >http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_Am.. > > .> > > > > <http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_Am > > .. > > > > .>: > > > > > > > > > He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of > > the > > > > > > > > Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the > > Senators > > > > > > > > present concur; > > > > > > > > > The Obama administration is finding that limitation > > inconvenient< > > > >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/05/obama-hey-lets-bypass-the-senat.. > > .> > > > > <http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/05/obama-hey-lets-bypass-the-senat > > .. > > > > .>, > > > > > > > > and so they are thinking of "temporarily bypassing"< > > > >http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negot.. > > .> > > > > < > >http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negot...> > > > > > > > > the Senate. Not on any important matter, just a little > > agreement > > > > with > > > > > > > > the Russians on limiting nuclear arms. > > > > > > > > > I looked carefully through the Constitution, and could not > > find > > > > any > > > > > > > > provision that allows a president to bypass, temporarily or > > > > otherwise, > > > > > > > > that limit on his treaty-making powers. > > > > > > > > > Senator Byrd --- among others --- isn't going to like this one > > > > little bit. > > > > > > > > - 8:08 AM, 6 July 2009 [link]< > > > >http://www.seanet.com/%7Ejimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578<http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578> > > <http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578>> > > > > <http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578>- Hide > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Mark M. 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