Still unwilling to reveal the canker sore of a nation that spawned you, I see. I don't blame you. Why saddle them with that burden?
It really kills you that you don't measure up to us, doesn't it? It kills you even more that we know it too. Don't worry, Bunky, we'll still save your ass when the chips are down. On Jul 19, 12:08 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > and losing ground faster than Zimbabwe in the 90's thanks to attitudes just > like that. "Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so!!!!" > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Only me? LOL! There are plenty of people who realize that the US is > > the pre-eminent nation in the world. Superior to all, in every way. > > Especially whatever sink hole you hail from. > > > On Jul 18, 10:59 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > They weren't there either.... seems no one can find any evidence as to > > why > > > the US invaded... only you seem to find that odd or out of US character. > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Have you checked up your ass? > > > > > On Jul 18, 10:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > AND WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING TO SEE THEM.... where are they ?? > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > How the hell do YOU know how "tight" the formations were or were > > not. > > > > > > PLEASE stop this inane pretending that you know more about tactics > > and > > > > > > strategy than our generals because you were "in the service." LOL! > > > > > > > >Our invasion was honestly about WMDs. > > > > > > > You starting to make me think that you're a teenager on the bosses > > > > > > computer in the office between your shift as fry cook at McDonalds. > > > > > > Were you in a coma in the year prior to the Iraq war? It sounds > > like > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > I can understand "moderates" disagreeing with the invasion of Iraq > > on > > > > > > any number of grounds. But you spout the whacko leftie lies like a > > > > > > good little commrade. Stop pretending. > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 7:08 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "> We thought he had poison gas. Our soldiers were equipped to > > > > > > > confront > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Everybody thought he had WMDs, mostly because he not only HAD > > them > > > > but > > > > > > > > because he used them against his enemies." > > > > > > > > Anyone who's been through basic strategic training knows that you > > > > > > > don't go into Iraq with divisions in tight formations (as we did) > > if > > > > > > > you think the enemy has WMD's (at least not ones that are still > > any > > > > > > > good - we knew the ones WE gave thme were no longer a threat). > > > > > > > But okay I get it. You guys really want to believe a certain way > > and > > > > > > > that's fine. I can understand not wanting to believe that your > > > > leaders > > > > > > > had motives other than those publicly stated. So fine. Bush never > > > > lied > > > > > > > or spun a thing. Our invasion was honestly about WMDs. And our > > love > > > > > > > for the Iraqi people who needed Liberation. Because the role of > > the > > > > > > > American government is to ust invade anyone country that isn't > > nice. > > > > > > > Besides, according to those same leaders, the Iraqis would > > welcome us > > > > > > > with open arms. > > > > > > > > If nothing else, I can understand your wanting to believe the way > > you > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 11:07 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we > > did. > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation > > state > > > > > > > > > Actually, they were. Iraq had completed construction of a > > nuclear > > > > > > > > reactor (That makes you a nuclear nation state) but Israel > > > > immediately > > > > > > > > blew it up. (Thank you Israel). > > > > > > > > > Some people would say that a leader who builds a nuclear > > reactor > > > > > > > > despite worldwide protests and has and uses poison gas on > > > > neighboring > > > > > > > > countries and his own people was a dangerous guy. Other people > > like > > > > > > > > deluding themselves. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 1:42 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we > > did. > > > > > > Large, > > > > > > > > > tight formations are easy targets and we know that. Not to > > > > mention > > > > > > > > > that we would have sent a least one division to sweep and > > search > > > > the > > > > > > > > > area where we "knew" the WMD's were for residual (or any > > other) > > > > > > > > > evidence they ever existed. We never did. Not one peek. I'm > > > > former > > > > > > > > > navy intel and i can assure you, even though Bush screwed our > > > > Humint > > > > > > > > > network fro some time to come, we still would have been able > > to > > > > find > > > > > > > > > evidence - if believed it was ever there. > > > > > > > > > But I get it. You really, really, really want to believe > > there > > > > were > > > > > > > > > WMD's there. Okay. > > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation > > state > > > > but > > > > > > > > > again, if you really want to believe it is or was, okay > > dokey. > > > > > > > > > > Talk about wanting to believe lies. > > > > > > > > > > I've lost five friends in Iraq. All of them Psy-Ops and a > > couple > > > > > > Force > > > > > > > > > Recon. They've made it clear for years that Iraq will never > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > > what we've done and no matter how long we're there, they'll > > > > regress > > > > > > > > > shortly after we leave. Two thousand years of culture. > > > > > > > > > Iraq has already made clear they view US as outsiders and > > went > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > the way to spit in Bush's face before he could get out of > > office. > > > > But > > > > > > > > > you believe what you want to believe. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 7:23 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>> We also had the certainty that there really were no > > WMD's > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Urban warfare, their commitment to keep fighting people > > > > they > > > > > > viewed as invaders, and the complete lack of any kind of > > > > > > > > > > > exit strategy, created a no-win situation. > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you show little understanding... Both AQ and > > the > > > > > > > > > > Americans are outsiders... As is the harsh form of > > Radical > > > > > > Islam... > > > > > > > > > > As is the lowland Pakistani... The question here is not > > > > fighting > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > outsider BUT WHICH OUTSIDER... The exit strategy? > > Stability > > > > and > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > non Radical Islamic government in a nuclear nation-state... > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians > > border > > > > them. > > > > > > They had easier access and more troops. No success. Tactics & > > > > technology > > > > > > have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been successful only at > > blowing > > > > up > > > > > > weddings and killing civilians. Lots of them. It's a mess > > > > > > > > > > > and a mistake and we should get out. > > > > > > > > > > > Tactics and technology make a huge difference... As the > > fact > > > > the > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > WILLINGNESS and desire to be a long term occupying power is > > far > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > than the Russians or the Pakistanis as makes a > > difference... > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > Russian border aided in supplying their troops but harmed > > the > > > > "Soft > > > > > > > > > > Warfare" in being seen a a long term occupying power... > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The only upside is at least we're actually going after > > > > people > > > > > > we have truthful cause to go after. > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you proclaim Urban Lies... > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 3:58 am, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you about Iraq. We had so many sanctions on > > Iraq > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > invading, they couldn't import dental equipment (because > > it > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > possibly be modified for weapons use - go figure). We > > also > > > > had > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > certainty that there really were no WMD's. So it was > > nothing > > > > to > > > > > > storm > > > > > > > > > > > right in. Like you said, cakewalk getting there. It was > > > > afterward > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > problems started. Urban warfare, their commitment to keep > > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > > > > > people they viewed as invaders, and the complete lack of > > any > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > exit strategy, created a no-win situation. > > > > > > > > > > > I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians border > > > > them. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > > > > had easier access and more troops. No success. Tactics & > > > > > > technology > > > > > > > > > > > have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been successful > > only > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > blowing up weddings and killing civilians. Lots of them. > > It's > > > > a > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > and a mistake and we should get out. > > > > > > > > > > > The only upside is at least we're actually going after > > people > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > truthful cause to go after. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 11:40 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iraq was [almost] a cake walk, compared to what we face > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan. Even with enough troops (500,000 +/-), > > it'll > > > > take > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > generation to pacify Afghanistan - a mountainous > > moonscape > > > > the > > > > > > size of > > > > > > > > > > > > Texas covered with 70-million ants (nomads, warring > > tribes > > > > - > > > > > > barefoot, > > > > > > > > > > > > illiterate villages). There's nothing there > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
