I happen to carry three passports, which do you want, western or eastern hemisphere first ??
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Still unwilling to reveal the canker sore of a nation that spawned > you, I see. I don't blame you. Why saddle them with that burden? > > It really kills you that you don't measure up to us, doesn't it? It > kills you even more that we know it too. Don't worry, Bunky, we'll > still save your ass when the chips are down. > > On Jul 19, 12:08 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > and losing ground faster than Zimbabwe in the 90's thanks to attitudes > just > > like that. "Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so!!!!" > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Only me? LOL! There are plenty of people who realize that the US is > > > the pre-eminent nation in the world. Superior to all, in every way. > > > Especially whatever sink hole you hail from. > > > > > On Jul 18, 10:59 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > They weren't there either.... seems no one can find any evidence as > to > > > why > > > > the US invaded... only you seem to find that odd or out of US > character. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Have you checked up your ass? > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 10:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > AND WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING TO SEE THEM.... where are they ?? > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > How the hell do YOU know how "tight" the formations were or > were > > > not. > > > > > > > PLEASE stop this inane pretending that you know more about > tactics > > > and > > > > > > > strategy than our generals because you were "in the service." > LOL! > > > > > > > > > >Our invasion was honestly about WMDs. > > > > > > > > > You starting to make me think that you're a teenager on the > bosses > > > > > > > computer in the office between your shift as fry cook at > McDonalds. > > > > > > > Were you in a coma in the year prior to the Iraq war? It sounds > > > like > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > I can understand "moderates" disagreeing with the invasion of > Iraq > > > on > > > > > > > any number of grounds. But you spout the whacko leftie lies > like a > > > > > > > good little commrade. Stop pretending. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 7:08 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "> We thought he had poison gas. Our soldiers were equipped > to > > > > > > > > confront > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Everybody thought he had WMDs, mostly because he not only > HAD > > > them > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > because he used them against his enemies." > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who's been through basic strategic training knows that > you > > > > > > > > don't go into Iraq with divisions in tight formations (as we > did) > > > if > > > > > > > > you think the enemy has WMD's (at least not ones that are > still > > > any > > > > > > > > good - we knew the ones WE gave thme were no longer a > threat). > > > > > > > > But okay I get it. You guys really want to believe a certain > way > > > and > > > > > > > > that's fine. I can understand not wanting to believe that > your > > > > > leaders > > > > > > > > had motives other than those publicly stated. So fine. Bush > never > > > > > lied > > > > > > > > or spun a thing. Our invasion was honestly about WMDs. And > our > > > love > > > > > > > > for the Iraqi people who needed Liberation. Because the role > of > > > the > > > > > > > > American government is to ust invade anyone country that > isn't > > > nice. > > > > > > > > Besides, according to those same leaders, the Iraqis would > > > welcome us > > > > > > > > with open arms. > > > > > > > > > > If nothing else, I can understand your wanting to believe the > way > > > you > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 11:07 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way we > > > did. > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear nation > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, they were. Iraq had completed construction of a > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > > reactor (That makes you a nuclear nation state) but Israel > > > > > immediately > > > > > > > > > blew it up. (Thank you Israel). > > > > > > > > > > > Some people would say that a leader who builds a nuclear > > > reactor > > > > > > > > > despite worldwide protests and has and uses poison gas on > > > > > neighboring > > > > > > > > > countries and his own people was a dangerous guy. Other > people > > > like > > > > > > > > > deluding themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 1:42 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If there had been WMD, we wouldn't have gone in the way > we > > > did. > > > > > > > Large, > > > > > > > > > > tight formations are easy targets and we know that. Not > to > > > > > mention > > > > > > > > > > that we would have sent a least one division to sweep and > > > search > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > area where we "knew" the WMD's were for residual (or any > > > other) > > > > > > > > > > evidence they ever existed. We never did. Not one peek. > I'm > > > > > former > > > > > > > > > > navy intel and i can assure you, even though Bush screwed > our > > > > > Humint > > > > > > > > > > network fro some time to come, we still would have been > able > > > to > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > evidence - if believed it was ever there. > > > > > > > > > > But I get it. You really, really, really want to believe > > > there > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > WMD's there. Okay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, Iraq is not now and never was a nuclear > nation > > > state > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > again, if you really want to believe it is or was, okay > > > dokey. > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk about wanting to believe lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've lost five friends in Iraq. All of them Psy-Ops and a > > > couple > > > > > > > Force > > > > > > > > > > Recon. They've made it clear for years that Iraq will > never > > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > > > what we've done and no matter how long we're there, > they'll > > > > > regress > > > > > > > > > > shortly after we leave. Two thousand years of culture. > > > > > > > > > > Iraq has already made clear they view US as outsiders and > > > went > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > > the way to spit in Bush's face before he could get out of > > > office. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > you believe what you want to believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 7:23 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> We also had the certainty that there really were no > > > WMD's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Urban warfare, their commitment to keep fighting > people > > > > > they > > > > > > > viewed as invaders, and the complete lack of any kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > exit strategy, created a no-win situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you show little understanding... Both AQ > and > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Americans are outsiders... As is the harsh form of > > > Radical > > > > > > > Islam... > > > > > > > > > > > As is the lowland Pakistani... The question here is > not > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > outsider BUT WHICH OUTSIDER... The exit strategy? > > > Stability > > > > > and > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > non Radical Islamic government in a nuclear > nation-state... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians > > > border > > > > > them. > > > > > > > They had easier access and more troops. No success. Tactics & > > > > > technology > > > > > > > have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been successful only at > > > blowing > > > > > up > > > > > > > weddings and killing civilians. Lots of them. It's a mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > and a mistake and we should get out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tactics and technology make a huge difference... As > the > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > WILLINGNESS and desire to be a long term occupying > power is > > > far > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > > than the Russians or the Pakistanis as makes a > > > difference... > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > Russian border aided in supplying their troops but > harmed > > > the > > > > > "Soft > > > > > > > > > > > Warfare" in being seen a a long term occupying power... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The only upside is at least we're actually going > after > > > > > people > > > > > > > we have truthful cause to go after. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you proclaim Urban Lies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 3:58 am, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you about Iraq. We had so many sanctions > on > > > Iraq > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > invading, they couldn't import dental equipment > (because > > > it > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly be modified for weapons use - go figure). We > > > also > > > > > had > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > certainty that there really were no WMD's. So it was > > > nothing > > > > > to > > > > > > > storm > > > > > > > > > > > > right in. Like you said, cakewalk getting there. It > was > > > > > afterward > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > problems started. Urban warfare, their commitment to > keep > > > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > > > > > > people they viewed as invaders, and the complete lack > of > > > any > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > exit strategy, created a no-win situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also agree with you on Afghanistan. The Russians > border > > > > > them. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > > > > > had easier access and more troops. No success. > Tactics & > > > > > > > technology > > > > > > > > > > > > have done squat for us. Thus far, we've been > successful > > > only > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > blowing up weddings and killing civilians. Lots of > them. > > > It's > > > > > a > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > and a mistake and we should get out. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only upside is at least we're actually going > after > > > people > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > truthful cause to go after. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 11:40 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iraq was [almost] a cake walk, compared to what we > face > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan. Even with enough troops (500,000 +/-), > > > it'll > > > > > take > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > generation to pacify Afghanistan - a mountainous > > > moonscape > > > > > the > > > > > > > size of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Texas covered with 70-million ants (nomads, warring > > > tribes > > > > > - > > > > > > > barefoot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > illiterate villages). There's nothing there > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
