The irony of this thread, is that Holly supports the politicians who advocate these kinds of laws, (e.g.; the Democrat Party!!) yet bitches about it when it effects his own brood.
Irony? Or Ignorance? You be the judge!!! On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > You are exactly correct Perp, at least here in Florida. The SR-22, as well > as the insurance penalty, is required only if you don't turn in your tags > after being uninsured. This had to have been the case with Holly's son, and > I wasn't going to berate the point. > > I actually agree with Holly on this issue, the law, even though well > intentioned, is a bad law, and benefits the insurance companies, thereby > hurting those individuals of lower socio-economic status. > > Kind of like the bankruptcy laws now.....I think it is a bit over $1000.00 > in filing fees now in federal court to file for protection..... > > The family law cases that I see frequently, have those who are dealing with > Florida's Department of Children, literally jumping through hoops, that no > middle class individual could accomplish, much less an individual without a > vehicle. By example, some of these individuals are required to take a bus, > (of course the State furnishes them bus passes) across town, that would > entail a day's travel, to attend some class at night that is thirty miles > from their home. I posed this question to a Court not too long ago, that > of all the individuals sitting in the courtroom, all with juris-doctorates, > none of the individuals could accomplish the case plan that had been laid > out by the Department of Children and Families for a black woman with no > vehicle and who worked approximately 30 hours a week in a fast food > restaurant with three kids to support. > > Like I said last night, there are countless examples of bad laws that prey > upon the poor and downtrodden. These insurance laws are but one example. > > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perplexed <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> What difference does that make? >> ------------ >> Umm...a huge one. Read your state's law. Only drivers and those who >> own cars are required to have insurance. If someone doesn't own a car >> and doesn't have insurance, they can't be penalized for going without >> it for a time period. >> >> http://dor.mo.gov/mvdl/drivers/insurinfo.htm >> >> I would check into it. It doesn't appear that it's legal for them to >> punish him if he wasn't driving during that time period and didn't own >> a car. They can stiff him for 3 years with those SR22 rates on this >> if he doesn't fight it. >> >> On Jul 26, 9:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Perp, >> > >> > What difference does that make? He is not being punished for not >> > driving, he is being "punished" for not buying car insurance for 6 >> > consequetive months. In fact he was NOT driving for most of those 6 >> > months as he had been in a bad accident and was in a wheelchair for >> > much of the time. >> > >> > On Jul 25, 11:34 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > How did his insurance company know he was driving for the months he >> > > was driving your car? Can he not just say "I wasn't driving"? >> > >> > > On Jul 26, 12:15 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Perp, >> > >> > > > Nope, his driving record is perfectly clean. Only thing he did >> "wrong" >> > > > is to not have car insurance for 6 consecutive months as he was >> > > > driving a car owned, registered and insured by me. I could be wrong >> > > > about him actually having to file an SR-22 but the RATES he will >> have >> > > > to pay are the same as a driver that has had to. That was my point, >> > > > having to pay the same rates as one who did have a bad driving >> record. >> > >> > > > On Jul 25, 10:46 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > That's weird. Here you have to do something wrong to have to file >> an >> > > > > SR22 (like a DUI or uninsured accident). I'd check with your BMV. >> > >> > > > > On Jul 24, 2:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Little incident happened today that makes me furious and I'll be >> > > > > > damned if I can think of any excuse/justification other than >> plain old >> > > > > > fashioned greed on the part of insurance companies. >> > > > > > My oldest son is just now recovering from an extended period of >> > > > > > unemployment bad enough that he had to return a new Jag that he >> could >> > > > > > no longer afford. I loaned him an old 4-wheel drive I kept for >> fishing >> > > > > > trips. I, of course ,had it licensed and insured in my own name. >> > > > > > He recently started a decent job and was going to buy a used >> Malibu I >> > > > > > loaned him the money to buy. He called the insurance agent he'd >> had >> > > > > > for years to check on the insurance rate for it and was told he >> would >> > > > > > have to file what is called an SR-22 and would have to pay high >> risk >> > > > > > rates, the same as if he'd had multiple chargeable accidents, >> moving >> > > > > > violations and/or even a DUI! Why, he quite reasonably asked. He >> was >> > > > > > told it was because he had not had auto insurance for more than >> 6 >> > > > > > consecutive months. That's it! >> > > > > > He had been driving with the same driver's license, had received >> no >> > > > > > tickets, no accidents, no nothing. So far as his actions as a >> safe >> > > > > > driver were concerned nothing whatsoever had changed. Why would >> > > > > > someone who did not own a car have auto insurance? >> > > > > > Conveniently, for the insurance companies, it is state law in >> Missouri >> > > > > > than one MUST have auto insurance. You can't even get your car >> > > > > > licensed w/o showing proof of insurance and getting caught >> driving w/o >> > > > > > adequate insurance is a minimum of a $500.00 fine and the threat >> of >> > > > > > having your driver's license suspended. >> > >> > > > > > Looks to me like a simple case of the insurance industry saying >> "well, >> > > > > > we are fucking you just because we can and there's not a damned >> thing >> > > > > > you can do about it". 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