Perp, My most sincere condolances over your loss. I understand completely. I feel the same way about the 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC I'm driving, 300 hp performance with the comfort of a Lincoln. LOVE that car. A friend of mine had a Supra, wonderful car, great performance. Politically we have our differences, but we appreciate good cars at least.
On Jul 26, 1:43 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: > My sentiments exactly. I loved that car and actually cried when I had > to trade it in for a more appropriate "family" vehicle when it became > too difficult to fit two car seats with growing kids in the Supra. > LOL. I wish I'd have kept it about now. > > On Jul 26, 2:24 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > perp, > > > I', sorry but how could one NOT get speeding tickets driving one of > > those? What a sweet car! > > > On Jul 26, 10:43 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I thought the same thing. LOL. > > > > Back in the 80s I drove a Toyota Supra turbo and managed to get one > > > too many speeding tickets on my license. I had to pay high risk > > > insurance rates for 3 years and even back THEN it amounted to more > > > than $250 per month just to pull the car out of the driveway. No > > > accidents....only speeding tickets. I thought that was bs then and > > > still do. It went up even more when towards the end of that period I > > > slid on the ice and hit a car stopped at a green light; imagine how > > > happy I was to pay even more b/c of some stoned-out moron sitting at a > > > green light! > > > > On Jul 26, 11:33 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The irony of this thread, is that Holly supports the politicians who > > > > advocate these kinds of laws, (e.g.; the Democrat Party!!) yet bitches > > > > about > > > > it when it effects his own brood. > > > > > Irony? Or Ignorance? > > > > > You be the judge!!! > > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Keith In Tampa > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > You are exactly correct Perp, at least here in Florida. The SR-22, > > > > > as well > > > > > as the insurance penalty, is required only if you don't turn in your > > > > > tags > > > > > after being uninsured. This had to have been the case with Holly's > > > > > son, and > > > > > I wasn't going to berate the point. > > > > > > I actually agree with Holly on this issue, the law, even though well > > > > > intentioned, is a bad law, and benefits the insurance companies, > > > > > thereby > > > > > hurting those individuals of lower socio-economic status. > > > > > > Kind of like the bankruptcy laws now.....I think it is a bit over > > > > > $1000.00 > > > > > in filing fees now in federal court to file for protection..... > > > > > > The family law cases that I see frequently, have those who are > > > > > dealing with > > > > > Florida's Department of Children, literally jumping through hoops, > > > > > that no > > > > > middle class individual could accomplish, much less an individual > > > > > without a > > > > > vehicle. By example, some of these individuals are required to take > > > > > a bus, > > > > > (of course the State furnishes them bus passes) across town, that > > > > > would > > > > > entail a day's travel, to attend some class at night that is thirty > > > > > miles > > > > > from their home. I posed this question to a Court not too long ago, > > > > > that > > > > > of all the individuals sitting in the courtroom, all with > > > > > juris-doctorates, > > > > > none of the individuals could accomplish the case plan that had been > > > > > laid > > > > > out by the Department of Children and Families for a black woman with > > > > > no > > > > > vehicle and who worked approximately 30 hours a week in a fast food > > > > > restaurant with three kids to support. > > > > > > Like I said last night, there are countless examples of bad laws that > > > > > prey > > > > > upon the poor and downtrodden. These insurance laws are but one > > > > > example. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perplexed > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >> What difference does that make? > > > > >> ------------ > > > > >> Umm...a huge one. Read your state's law. Only drivers and those who > > > > >> own cars are required to have insurance. If someone doesn't own a > > > > >> car > > > > >> and doesn't have insurance, they can't be penalized for going without > > > > >> it for a time period. > > > > > >>http://dor.mo.gov/mvdl/drivers/insurinfo.htm > > > > > >> I would check into it. It doesn't appear that it's legal for them to > > > > >> punish him if he wasn't driving during that time period and didn't > > > > >> own > > > > >> a car. They can stiff him for 3 years with those SR22 rates on this > > > > >> if he doesn't fight it. > > > > > >> On Jul 26, 9:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Perp, > > > > > >> > What difference does that make? He is not being punished for not > > > > >> > driving, he is being "punished" for not buying car insurance for 6 > > > > >> > consequetive months. In fact he was NOT driving for most of those 6 > > > > >> > months as he had been in a bad accident and was in a wheelchair for > > > > >> > much of the time. > > > > > >> > On Jul 25, 11:34 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > How did his insurance company know he was driving for the months > > > > >> > > he > > > > >> > > was driving your car? Can he not just say "I wasn't driving"? > > > > > >> > > On Jul 26, 12:15 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Perp, > > > > > >> > > > Nope, his driving record is perfectly clean. Only thing he did > > > > >> "wrong" > > > > >> > > > is to not have car insurance for 6 consecutive months as he was > > > > >> > > > driving a car owned, registered and insured by me. I could be > > > > >> > > > wrong > > > > >> > > > about him actually having to file an SR-22 but the RATES he > > > > >> > > > will > > > > >> have > > > > >> > > > to pay are the same as a driver that has had to. That was my > > > > >> > > > point, > > > > >> > > > having to pay the same rates as one who did have a bad driving > > > > >> record. > > > > > >> > > > On Jul 25, 10:46 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > That's weird. Here you have to do something wrong to have > > > > >> > > > > to file > > > > >> an > > > > >> > > > > SR22 (like a DUI or uninsured accident). I'd check with > > > > >> > > > > your BMV. > > > > > >> > > > > On Jul 24, 2:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Little incident happened today that makes me furious and > > > > >> > > > > > I'll be > > > > >> > > > > > damned if I can think of any excuse/justification other > > > > >> > > > > > than > > > > >> plain old > > > > >> > > > > > fashioned greed on the part of insurance companies. > > > > >> > > > > > My oldest son is just now recovering from an extended > > > > >> > > > > > period of > > > > >> > > > > > unemployment bad enough that he had to return a new Jag > > > > >> > > > > > that he > > > > >> could > > > > >> > > > > > no longer afford. I loaned him an old 4-wheel drive I kept > > > > >> > > > > > for > > > > >> fishing > > > > >> > > > > > trips. I, of course ,had it licensed and insured in my own > > > > >> > > > > > name. > > > > >> > > > > > He recently started a decent job and was going to buy a > > > > >> > > > > > used > > > > >> Malibu I > > > > >> > > > > > loaned him the money to buy. He called the insurance agent > > > > >> > > > > > he'd > > > > >> had > > > > >> > > > > > for years to check on the insurance rate for it and was > > > > >> > > > > > told he > > > > >> would > > > > >> > > > > > have to file what is called an SR-22 and would have to pay > > > > >> > > > > > high > > > > >> risk > > > > >> > > > > > rates, the same as if he'd had multiple chargeable > > > > >> > > > > > accidents, > > > > >> moving > > > > >> > > > > > violations and/or even a DUI! Why, he quite reasonably > > > > >> > > > > > asked. He > > > > >> was > > > > >> > > > > > told it was because he had not had auto insurance for more > > > > >> > > > > > than > > > > >> 6 > > > > >> > > > > > consecutive months. That's it! > > > > >> > > > > > He had been driving with the same driver's license, had > > > > >> > > > > > received > > > > >> no > > > > >> > > > > > tickets, no accidents, no nothing. So far as his actions > > > > >> > > > > > as a > > > > >> safe > > > > >> > > > > > driver were concerned nothing whatsoever had changed. Why > > > > >> > > > > > would > > > > >> > > > > > someone who did not own a car have auto insurance? > > > > >> > > > > > Conveniently, for the insurance companies, it is state law > > > > >> > > > > > in > > > > >> Missouri > > > > >> > > > > > than one MUST have auto insurance. You can't even get your > > > > >> > > > > > car > > > > >> > > > > > licensed w/o showing proof of insurance and getting caught > > > > >> driving w/o > > > > >> > > > > > adequate insurance is a minimum of a $500.00 fine and the > > > > >> > > > > > threat > > > > >> of > > > > >> > > > > > having your driver's license suspended. > > > > > >> > > > > > Looks to me like a simple case of the insurance industry > > > > >> > > > > > saying > > > > >> "well, > > > > >> > > > > > we are fucking you just because we can and there's not a > > > > >> > > > > > damned > > > > >> thing > > > > >> > > > > > you can do about it". 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